Providers vs Hobbyists.....how has the game gone sour in Pittsburgh?

Firstly, thank you for a concise, coherent, on topic and respectable reply.

Many providers do use references. And that’s perfectly 100 percent fine.

I’m happy to give them but I personally don’t use them for screening. There are very very few circumstances where I would accept reference only. I do like to check with references for character.

Otherwise, I do a full screen.

Wishing everyone a safe and fulfilling weekend, whatever that means for you! Originally Posted by Dreamgurrl

Yeah, that's really the main reason why I've steered clear from doing anything that involves a screening process. I'm always concerned that it's going to involve references and then it just ends up being a big waste of time for both of us. Like I end up getting my hopes up, she ends up wasting her time with someone who wasn't going to make it through. It's a total lose-lose. I wouldn't go as far to say that they shouldn't be doing it. Like I said, it's their business and they can manage it however they want. It just means there's less options for me, so really that's just me whining about it lol

Couldn’t disagree more bro. Pittsburgh has a severe lack of options for true providers. Especially if you want young, thin, attractive providers that actually provide GFE.

The reason business is great for DG and traveling providers is that there are so few options for reliable providers here.

It’s like any supply and demand economy. It’s been a sellers market for about 5 years or so now. That is just the truth. The reason girls even have the audacity to ask for screening info and deposits is that the market is so ridiculously tilted in the providers’ favor right now that some mongers are willing to do it. Originally Posted by pensfan123456

There are solid "pay for play" girls on SA, much like there were always solid UTR girls all during the ASPD and Indys era's. These girls have Exactly as many clients as they want, and they "pick and choose" clients, not the other way around....

SA and off-line "civilian" girls is my main market, and also I don't have any reason to think (or know) how any local Tryst girl or "advertising" or not-advertising (but with historic reputation) girl does. I don't know how much business most providers get...

If there are solid-performing girls on SA then there are solid-performing girls OFF of SA as well. There is just no "organized" online hobby market now like there was in the ASPD and Indys era's. We can't read (many) public reviews and providers don't post ads on any non-Listcrawler-type site. It's all a "varied" and much more "unorganized" hobby-market than it was when ASPD and then Indys had a real online presence before FOSTA....

Oh geez, another Bros vrs Hos thread. Originally Posted by bambino

What's wrong with another Bro's Vs Ho's thread? And for that matter what's wrong with a varied Bro's Vs Bro's thread....?

That's satire, Mods. Go easy...

What's wrong with another Bro's Vs Ho's thread? And for that matter what's wrong with a varied Bro's Vs Bro's thread....?

That's satire, Mods. Go easy... Originally Posted by tolstoy

Nothing. It gives people another chance to bloviate.

Nothing. It gives people another chance to bloviate. Originally Posted by bambino

That is literally your entire existence.

If you think its rough in the Pittsburgh forums, I suggest you check out Houston or some of the other markets here. Upstate NY is even referred to as Upset. I can tell you in other areas on Eccie the points flow like its happy hour. Bambino (and others including myself) is just sophomoric, and while that may cause some of the thin skinned not to post here it certainly isnt keeping ho’s from advertising here or on any other board that doesnt have a forum.

None of these same sophomoric antics stopped girls from advertising on Indys, Bam was the all time Indys points recipient, on Eccie he isnt in the top 20, just saying Originally Posted by AmishGangster

Well, then why don't providers advertise on Eccie? My understanding is that Eccie had to drop the formal public ads section because of FOSTA. No matter what you or I or Bambino or any hobby-veteran thinks about (arguable) "trolling" on Eccie FOSTA really "changed the game"....

All hobby websites (and there are fewer of them now than in the 2004 ASPD/TheBigDoggie/TER and then post-2005 Indys era's) and also individual hobby-players (providers and hobbyists) are more "cautious" when it comes to the hobby post FOSTA. That Smooth...Asian...Stud and owner of SA Brandon Wade posted a "This is not a prostitution site!" video on SA right after FOSTA passed. SA bans guys for very specious "prostitution" talk in PM's, and whether or not guys actually post in PM's any "hobby-talk". Everyone is more "on alert" post FOSTA....

I will check out the Houston and upstate NY and other forums of Eccie. They all can't be More Entertaining than the PGH forums, right...?

That is literally your entire existence. Originally Posted by Dreamgurrl

It's mine too, just for the record...

No doubt more providers posted regularly on Indys, mostly in the Co Ed Vouched section, and on Eccie I estimate either three or fours providers post At...All ever. Why do you think that is...?

Well, then why don't providers advertise on Eccie? My understanding is that Eccie had to drop the formal public ads section because of FOSTA. No matter what you or I or Bambino or any hobby-veteran thinks about (arguable) "trolling" on Eccie FOSTA really "changed the game"....

All hobby websites (and there are fewer of them now than in the 2004 ASPD/TheBigDoggie/TER and then post-2005 Indys era's) and also individual hobby-players (providers and hobbyists) are more "cautious" when it comes to the hobby post FOSTA. That Smooth...Asian...Stud and owner of SA Brandon Wade posted a "This is not a prostitution site!" video on SA right after FOSTA passed. SA bans guys for very specious "prostitution" talk in PM's, and whether or not guys actually post in PM's any "hobby-talk". Everyone is more "on alert" post FOSTA....

I will check out the Houston and upstate NY and other forums of Eccie. They all can't be More Entertaining than the PGH forums, right...? Originally Posted by tolstoy

Let us know when you start posting in the Dallas forum. It should be an interesting read. Actually, they need more providers posting in the Spider Hole. Ask DJ about proposing you. They could use some new blood there. It’s dreadfully boring now. But, there are very few rules.

Let us know when you start posting in the Dallas forum. It should be an interesting read. Actually, they need more providers posting in the Spider Hole. Ask DJ about proposing you. Originally Posted by bambino

No idea what the Spider Hole is. Is that some underground after-hours club in PGH? Also who is the DJ I should ask? You got the Dallas forum and Spider Hole's and DJ's and I have no idea what you are talking about...

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Thats why girls can screen like they currently do and same reasoning behind the deposits. And the higher rates.

No idea what the Spider Hole is. Is that some underground after-hours club in PGH? Also who is the DJ I should ask? You got the Dallas forum and Spider Hole's and DJ's and I have no idea what you are talking about... Originally Posted by tolstoy

I don’t care. You figure it out. After all. Aren’t you the hobby Wikipedia?

I don’t care. You figure it out. After all. Aren’t you the hobby Wikipedia? Originally Posted by bambino

And aren’t you the hobby escort stalker? Which may actually be related to the topic, unlike most of your posts.

And aren’t you the hobby escort stalker? Which may actually be related to the topic, unlike most of your posts. Originally Posted by Charley3

No, are you?