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I don't know the answer to either question. Don't really care.

The question I have for you is, "What if they did do it to be able to influence what is in the books?" Is that wrong? As you said earlier, "What Texas decides to teach in their schools is the business of the state". Book publishers can cater to the influences of the state of Texas or not.

You seem to be whining about the fact that I handed the Matre D a "c" note to get a table up close to the stage...and you wanted that table. Maybe next time your date needs to go with me. Originally Posted by Rudyard K

If stating that I don't like something is whining so be it but why take what has been a perfectly civil conversation and degrade it is beyond me. Keep in mind it cuts both ways, next time I see you complain about a bill passed in Washington should I construe it as whining?

As to your very sensible question: No, nothing wrong with Texas trying to influence what will be in textbooks. Perhaps someone else will have an answer to my questions, even if you don't care about them.

I LOVE TEXAS!! =)

If stating that I don't like something is whining so be it but why take what has been a perfectly civil conversation and degrade it is beyond me. Keep in mind it cuts both ways, next time I see you complain about a bill passed in Washington should I construe it as whining?

As to your very sensible question: No, nothing wrong with Texas trying to influence what will be in textbooks. Perhaps someone else will have an answer to my questions, even if you don't care about them. Originally Posted by discreetgent

Hell DG, don't get your panties in a wad, I whine about a lot of things ...albeit I generally give a reason why I think it is wrong. And I have been told in the past...by you, kind sir...that since your group has the votes, it is just something I have to live with. That may be a more eloquent way of telling me "Tough Sh*t"...but it is still telling me "Tough Sh*t". I'll bow to your eloquence.

In this case you seemed to be agreeing that it was right, but your line of questions seemed to imply...well, I'm not sure what they implied...but it sure implied that something nefarious must have gone on. Let's say it was July of 1998...that sounds like a good vintage. Now what?

It may appear to be unfortunate, but whatever the regulatory environment you choose to have, such environment will serve to limit the options available to the poorest members of our society, because they are the poorest credit risks. More regulation?...less options...but more stability. Less regulation?...more options... but less stability. Take your pick. Originally Posted by Rudyard K

Fuc the poor if they can not afford a home. And fuc the rich if they have loaned money to the poor that could not afford a home.

Bailing out either was idiotic.

That is my simplified answer to your simplified analysis.

In this case you seemed to be agreeing that it was right, but your line of questions seemed to imply...well, I'm not sure what they implied...but it sure implied that something nefarious must have gone on. Let's say it was July of 1998...that sounds like a good vintage. Now what? Originally Posted by Rudyard K

Sometimes a question is just a question. Sheer curiosity.

I think that saying this is a "Texas state" issue is a little narrow. Texas is one of 22 states that approve textbooks for state-wide use. That's not even half, but since it is such a big market, it impacts the whole textbook market as a whole [to use another Texas analogy, think "Enron"].

I think it is very dangerous to let a small group of people, no matter who they are, engage in revisionist history, especially since it affects what our children are taught. To me, tampering with our history in this manner is akin to the book-burning and mass propaganda that became an arm of the Nazi party in Germany.

Ahhhhh Texas! Where would the Escort Industry be without you?

Yep.... keep up the great work.... we luv your product!!

Giz

You might want to link the actual changes, as proposed by the BOE, not some link to some reporter's view of what it said. I have had trouble finding it. I did find where it was being proposed that Jefferson was being removed as a key player in philosophical teachings related to some historical thought process...but not "removed from the Texas curriculum" as you and your reporter implies. Originally Posted by Rudyard K

First, I was not the OP. So I didn't imply anything, rather supplied information easily found on the web, as the OP didn't.

Have no problem making assumptions do you ?

Interesting thing from the cockaloric posturing, that references were excluded from your own post. hmm.
From your rhetorical projection of being some kind of eruditic scholar on this subject, please post your references, and keep it factual inside and not rhetoric please.

Most of the time, when you think something might not be right, it is best to look for yourself. Unless, of course, you're just trying to sound knowledgable and smart about something that you really don't know anything about.

Kitchenware huh ?

My knowledge on the subject is from 2 personal friends teaching in the Austin area, and my daughter, who recently exited the public school system here. teaching in the Austin area. One is part of said textbook committee.

They really don't teach the roles of the founding fathers anymore, Washington, etc. Blown over for some other "politically correct B.S.

My source, my daughters textbook.

I have no real stake in this thread.

I am somewhat dismayed how the theories of evolution are going to be equally weighed as the concept of the 6000 year old earth as described by certain creationists.

This thread is a perfect example of why I'm getting the hell out of Texas when I retire. There is more ignorance here than Carter has little liver pills.

.... There is more ignorance here than Carter has little liver pills. Originally Posted by TexTushHog

Sounds like a perfect beginning to a new list / thread....

There is more xxxxxxxx in Texas than xxxxxxx xxxx xxx xxxxxxx .....

Giz

This thread is a perfect example of why I'm getting the hell out of Texas when I retire. There is more ignorance here than Carter has little liver pills. Originally Posted by TexTushHog

Puhlease! You count on that ignorance in your juries.

This thread is a perfect example of why I'm getting the hell out of Texas when I retire. There is more ignorance here than Carter has little liver pills. Originally Posted by TexTushHog

Ahhh, the purity of it all. You don't really enjoy your host. You offer nothing to your host that it considers redemptive. You chose your host because it offers an ample supply of what you crave. You are here only until you have gourged yourself. And then you will leave and take your full stomach with you. Come to think of it...that sounds like the description of a Leech.

When it that retirement party? I want to mark it on my calendar.

This thread is a perfect example of why I'm getting the hell out of Texas when I retire. There is more ignorance here than Carter has little liver pills. Originally Posted by TexTushHog

Why? you can read the same kind of discussions elsewhere.

interesting is, that the OP linked to an article, that describes the structural advantages of the Texan economy and some reasons why it was resilient to the current crisis.

what followed was the text book curriculum flamewar without properly quoting sources. where is the link to the actual changes of the school book board?

quoting huffingtonpost...well. that source has its particular point of view that i would put somewhere on the left spectrum. that does not mean it is bad, just that it should be stated where they are talking from.

IF those changes are actually as stated here, then, well....

scratching Enlightenment thinking.... cynically speaking I doubt it will make much difference as my perception is there is little interest and knowledge in philosophy. at least from talking with high schoolers in the neighborhood.

"Curriculum standards also will describe the U.S. government as a "constitutional republic," rather than "democratic," is actually correct. or more precisely representative democracy.

"Students will be required to study the decline in value of the U.S. dollar, including the abandonment of the gold standard"
why not? there is decline and the abandonment of the gold standard and replacment with the current global 'system' causes problems. calling that Far-right injections is really stretching it. people who say that should first read what far right means. i can give a list of some syphilitic maniacs back in Euroland as a hint.

It is the same manipulative politocorrect censorspeak the classe politique applies globally by shifting categories and altering the context. mainstreaming the media flow.

evolution. if 90% of the school goers believe, it happened 6000 years ago by flipping a switch, what do you expect? of course replacing evolution in the science curriculum with creation mythology in the religion curriculum is crystal clear logic..... it is so logical, that Mr. Spock will say fascinating and move on to a planet with a real school system.

"Republican Terri Leo, a member of the powerful Christian conservative voting bloc, called the standards "world class" and "exceptional." mmmmpfhhhhh.

world class. sure. that is why ultrarich americans send their children to school on another continent.

This thread is a perfect example of why I'm getting the hell out of Texas when I retire. There is more ignorance here than Carter has little liver pills. Originally Posted by TexTushHog

Would you retire in the next few days, please?

I was born in Texas. I have lived in 6 states outside of the Lone Star state and visited 49 of our lovely United States. As I grew older and wiser, I knew that Texas was the only state where I was meant to live free and die. Within the state of Texas, I have lived in 5 areas from the panhandle to the gulf coast. This state is truly remarkable.

Outside of the Texas state line I've been to states that are flourishing and states that are dying. Within the last few years, I have seen mass migrations of people to our great state. As we are all free citizens it is our right to live where we feel our own self-interest serves us best. Having lived in states that have state income taxes and high costs of living, I fully understand why people migrate to Texas.

With that said and having traveled a lot, I can tell you that there are a lot of people outside of Texas who stereotype us Texans as a bunch of redneck, cow-tipping, backward, ranch-hands. I cannot begrudge people who stereotype the people of Texas since they have never truly experienced Texas and it's people. I can't tell you how many times I've been asked if I owned a horse or what it's like living on a ranch.

I do have to wonder though, if the people who are moving to our thriving state from their failing state are doing so half-hearted or are they willing to assimilate. One of my favorite bumper stickers is, "I wasn't born in Texas, but I got here as fast as I could." That tells me that some people embrace Texas and I have for them a warm welcome.

Then there are those who have always hated Texas and believe the stereotypes. They are loath to move to Texas or other states feeling no pain, but feel forced to due their state-of-origin's steady decline having no jobs, high taxes and palatable tension in the air. For them I have a few questions. How did you vote in your state-of-origin? Do you know see how the politics of your state contributed to your states decline? When you moved to this state, do you realize that we voted in the opposite direction of your state and we are thriving? How are you going to vote in the future to prevent your new states disintegration?

Then there are those who have always hated Texas and believe the stereotypes. They are loath to move to Texas or other states feeling no pain, but feel forced to due their state-of-origin's steady decline having no jobs, high taxes and palatable tension in the air. For them I have a few questions. How did you vote in your state-of-origin? Do you know see how the politics of your state contributed to your states decline? When you moved to this state, do you realize that we voted in the opposite direction of your state and we are thriving? How are you going to vote in the future to prevent your new states disintegration? Originally Posted by DFW5Traveler

I assume in your erudition you meant to write now
Sorry, I just couldn't resist

FWIW I have always enjoyed my stays in Texas, whether for business or pleasure. I prefer to live elsewhere, but as you pointed out we are fortunate to have the freedom to make that choice.