Great Day in America

Affirmative action was terrible.
In the early 70s I was turned down for a job for not being black. THe employer had a state mandate to hire 50 blacks
I was turned down by two colleges prior to that because they had quotas to fill with so many blacks.
The only time from 1968 to 1974 that I was on equal footing with the blacks was with Uncle Sam! Originally Posted by mtnitlion

Some of those beneficiaries of affirmative action in the 1970's, who were favored in hiring and promotion for their entire careers, still bitch and complain going into their retirement about discrimination against them - when they have actually made a career out of quotas in their favor!!!

Affirmative action seems noble on the surface but its end game, equal outcomes, isn't realistic. People don't have equal abilities. To ensure equal outcomes some people have to be propped up while other kept down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BTLFAswwgo


Ain't it fun ... dont go crying to you mother???????

start stealing changing the law stealing fishing quota etc. erase memory drug poison microwave ?????? Originally Posted by cindy69

change the law too STEAL... where username JUDGEMENTALAHOLE ... what degree do you have(BackYardUniversity or ELECTED RIGHT or LEFT )?

RIGHT get in trouble get a RIGHT JUDGE? :laughin g1:

Affirmative action seems noble on the surface but its end game, equal outcomes, isn't realistic. People don't have equal abilities. To ensure equal outcomes some people have to be propped up while other kept down. Originally Posted by cowboy8055

It's endgame is not "equal outcomes", it's endgame is equal opportunities. Minorities still have to perform (or do in most cases).

Prior to affirmative action (which was started for women who at the time could only fill jobs as nurses, teachers and secretaries) male descendants of Europeans had their own "affirmative action" quotas of 100% for about 469 years.

Few who think affirmative action is warranted suggest that equal outcomes be legislated (and if they do the vast majority do not agree with them), but considering that women and many minorities did not get access to equal education (and many other advantages) for most of 500 years, once they have a chance to perform equally (or exceed) they then should be given the chance.

Studies show again and again that there are both institutional and implicit racial and gender biases even when race cannot be determined (such as in letters with potentially minority sounding names) and that is when explicit racism is taken out of the equation and these biases occur in both women and minorities as well. The existence of "true merit" is so scarce as to be almost non-existent.

IMHO nothing was "taken away" because after segregation and discrimination were ended male descendants of white Europeans no longer had a right to their 100% quota anymore and still had the benefits accrued from hundreds of years of their own "affirmative action".

BTW, "salesguy" - Italian is not a "racial" minority. Italians, no matter whether they can speak English or not are white Europeans. "Hispanics" are mostly mestizo or a mix of European and native American, though now a Spanish speaking person of 100% European descent from Latin America would generally be considered a Hispanic "minority". That probably isn't right just as an upper class black from Haiti or Africa should probably not benefit from minority status accorded to rectify discrimination and slavery of American blacks, but race is a cultural and very crude designation that is far from perfect. That said, until someone comes up with something better to practically redress the pernicious effects of centuries of segregation and discrimination, affirmative action may be the only way to actually affect change.

It isn't an easy issue, but doing an ostrich and saying that there isn't an issue is simple denial. Anyone here have a better solution than affirmative action or "do nothing"? I thought not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BTLFAswwgo


Ain't it fun ... dont go crying to you mother??????? start stealing changing the law stealing quota etc. erase memory drug poison microwave ?????? Originally Posted by cindy69

change the law too STEAL... where username JUDGEMENTALAHOLE ... what degree do you have(BackYardUniversity or ELECTED RIGHT or LEFT )?

RIGHT get in trouble get a RIGHT JUDGE? :laughin g1: Originally Posted by cindy69

Some of those beneficiaries of affirmative action in the 1970's, who were favored in hiring and promotion for their entire careers, still bitch and complain going into their retirement about discrimination against them - when they have actually made a career out of quotas in their favor!!! Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

Jewish Lawyer what !!! stand for ?

btw, cjohnny54 (cjohn) WTF is his $ and SPERM?

It's endgame is not "equal outcomes", it's endgame is equal opportunities. Minorities still have to perform (or do in most cases).not really, they can just blame discrimination if they fail, and bias if not enough minorities get promoted

Prior to affirmative action (which was started for women who at the time could only fill jobs as nurses, teachers and secretaries- honorable professions which women are good at and well suited for, BTW) male descendants of Europeans had their own "affirmative action" quotas of 100% for about 469 years.

Few who think affirmative action is warranted suggest that equal outcomes be legislated (and if they do the vast majority do not agree with them), but considering that women and many minorities (actually, blacks and a few Indians, other minorities were statistically insignificant) did not get access to equal education (and many other advantages) for most of 500 years, once they have a chance to perform equally (or exceed) they then should be given the chance. ) Success in school mostly correlates with economic status of the parents

Studies show again and again that there are both institutional and implicit racial and gender biases even when race cannot be determined (such as in letters with potentially minority sounding names) and that is when explicit racism is taken out of the equation and these biases occur in both women and minorities as well. The existence of "true merit" is so scarce as to be almost non-existent.

IMHO nothing was "taken away" because after segregation and discrimination were ended male descendants of white Europeans no longer had a right to their 100% quota anymore and still had the benefits accrued from hundreds of years of their own "affirmative action". (not completely true - most women didn't work and the country was 90% white, so only a small number of white men came along for the ride while the rest of us, supported by our women, made this the greatest motherfucking country in the history of the motherfucking world!!! If we were the best country, the only lame argument you can make against it was that we could've been better with women's equality. But, why didn't the other 185 fucking countries in the world put their women in charge and beat the shit out of us?)

BTW, "salesguy" - Italian is not a "racial" minority. Italians, no matter whether they can speak English or not are white Europeans. "Hispanics" are mostly mestizo or a mix of European and native American, though now a Spanish speaking person of 100% European descent from Latin America would generally be considered a Hispanic "minority". That probably isn't right just as an upper class black from Haiti or Africa should probably not benefit from minority status accorded to rectify discrimination and slavery of American blacks, but race is a cultural and very crude designation that is far from perfect. That said, until someone comes up with something better to practically redress the pernicious effects of centuries of segregation and discrimination, affirmative action may be the only way to actually affect change.

It isn't an easy issue, but doing an ostrich and saying that there isn't an issue is simple denial. Anyone here have a better solution than affirmative action or "do nothing"? I thought not, except for the brilliant Jewish Lawyer Originally Posted by LordBeaverbrook

Reparations!!! But only to blacks descended from slavery - everyone else came of their own accord so they really should have researched what a horrible, racist country this was prior to coming here.

It isn't an easy issue, but doing an ostrich and saying that there isn't an issue is simple denial. Anyone here have a better solution than affirmative action or "do nothing"? I thought not. Originally Posted by LordBeaverbrook

How about simply being able to hire the best qualified and leaving the political crap out of it.

BTW, "salesguy" - Italian is not a "racial" minority. Italians, no matter whether they can speak English or not are white Europeans. "Hispanics" are mostly mestizo or a mix of European and native American, though now a Spanish speaking person of 100% European descent from Latin America would generally be considered a Hispanic "minority". Originally Posted by LordBeaverbrook

BTW, LordBieberDick, why is it that you and the government would accord a Spaniard special privileges but deny an Italian those same privileges?

[QUOTE=LordBeaverbrook;10552361 06]BTW, "salesguy" - Italian is not a "racial" minority. Italians, no matter whether they can speak English or not are white Europeans. "Hispanics" are mostly mestizo or a mix of European and native American, though now a Spanish speaking person of 100% European descent from Latin America would generally be considered a Hispanic "minority". That probably isn't right just as an upper class black from Haiti or Africa should probably not benefit from minority status accorded to rectify discrimination and slavery of American blacks, but race is a cultural and very crude designation that is far from perfect. That said, until someone comes up with something better to practically redress the pernicious effects of centuries of segregation and discrimination, affirmative action may be the only way to actually affect change./QUOTE]

You're fucking kidding right?