rush session

Even a provider gave me some sympathy stated above. Originally Posted by sam_carl

So did I, for your lackluster session. The way you reacted remains unacceptable which is what Mia meant by self-alert.

Like I said, I was a bit tempered when I went back up those stairs. And I made a few judgment errors before we even stared. But I felt I had a right to voice my dissatisfaction. Even though a bit harsh, I wanted to make a point. Originally Posted by sam_carl

Next time voice your dissatisfaction during the session, without so much as even mentioning violence and never in a public area. It wasn't merely 'a bit harsh', it was intimidation and extortion. You need to learn to stand up for yourself without resorting to threats, contemplating property damage or bottling up your frustration until it boils out in a rash of bad judgement. A man stands his ground firmly but politely. A man does not push a woman around simply because he allowed her to push him around.

I've spent $10 of thousands on eccie and Bp over the years. Mostly I've felt I at least my money's worth. This is the first instance I've felt "hey, I really got fucked on that deal". Even a provider gave me some sympathy stated above.

Like I said, I was a bit tempered when I went back up those stairs. And I made a few judgment errors before we even stared. But I felt I had a right to voice my dissatisfaction. Even though a bit harsh, I wanted to make a point. Originally Posted by sam_carl

Let me be clarify my comments so there is no confusion.....

If the appointment went down the way you said it did, yeah, her "services" did not meet your expectations, I can understand you being angry, however, there is zero justification for your behavior. Cut off her future income and put it in a review! But being angry does not give you carte blanche to take leave of your senses at a Ladies incall and throw a threat laced, intimidating, temper tantrum! Your threats towards her may not have been verbal, but you made sure through your low tone, and body language, that she got your message.

After reading a few more of your posts in response to your fellow Hobbiest's comments, your origional post is nothing but a cock strut to show everyone what a badass you are. You're not going to take any BP crap anymore! I can hear your superhero theme song playing in the background as you type this "informative" post, to warn your fellow Hobbiest's.....

Have you stopped to think in your anger haze, that when you get down to it, it's your selection skills that suck and are to blame? Do your do diligence, select a woman with a great reputation for solid service, leave happy! It's not that difficult.....

On the upside, this is one of the best self alerts I've ever read!

I woulda told you you could have 80 back, and I woulda kept the 100, and I sure wouldnt have let you intimidate me. This was not ok, you mention your a big man, and that you went through with the session regardless of the time, you choose to put on your clothes and you dont know if she woulda kept going. Sorry but if I have an hour session and in 20 mins a guy starts to get dressed, I am getting dressed too. You got your rocks and and left and then go back with the starting statement "Im usually not a violent man" Basically you were telling her that if she didnt give you your money back you would get violent, smh. So basically you think you were owed a free HJ are you fucking kidding me. You choose to go see that girl, you knew she was on bp, and you admit you saw she had a bad review, so this is how you justify your actions.

FYI this isnt BP and I guarantee you that you pull that shit with girls on here there likely to tazor your ass and ask questions later.

And to top it off, obviously you havent spent alot of time on this board cause they way you are putting it its like your bragging you got some free services. Most the men on here would never think that shits cool, and you get no points for how you handled your self.

Have fun trying to get a date on here, she tried to offer you to come in and probably try to make things right, and not to mention she actually offered to give back your donation. Shes def better then me cause I woulda told you to get to stepping.

Your a bully, and thats all you are

As a woman, speaking to a man, it is never OK to say "I'm not a violent man, but" ever. To any woman. Hooker or mother, girlfriend or wife. Even if you *know* you'd "never hit a woman" that shit's FUCKED UP. And not OK.

As a woman, speaking to a man, it is never OK to say "I'm not a violent man, but" ever. To any woman. Hooker or mother, girlfriend or wife. Even if you *know* you'd "never hit a woman" that shit's FUCKED UP. And not OK. Originally Posted by JennsLolli

This! So much of this!

I don't understand how people don't see the thinly veiled implication of a treat of violent action that very statement represents ...BUT (implying this is an exception)

Maybe it is the Texas raised boy in me, but I simply can't think of a situation that is best resolved by attempting to intimidate, insult, or threaten a woman.

REB White Knight here..

She did not do what was expected and agreed upon, plain an simple, you paid for the hour then rushed you out in 20 minutes.

You did what many here do not have the balls to do or are to pussy whipped or worry about what the peanut gallery will think. You are not here to make friends. that's for sure!

Now I will say you should have at least given her $100, she did provide something..

This is a lose/lose.

You got screwed...
You screwed her worse...

Were it me, I would contact her and give her the going rate for a BP HJTC.

You learned a lesson....
She learned a lesson...

Maybe everyone is better in the end. But threatening violence is never the answer. Just like SL said get the agreement up front. I would NEVER settle for "I'm YMMV but my rate is _____" That's BS.....what can I expect for my money? She agreed to an hour, pushed you out in 20 mins...pay accordingly....a third sounds like a good compromise. $60.

Were it me, I would contact her and give her the going rate for a BP HJTC. Originally Posted by Toyz

I suspect he should quit while he's behind. This is the sort of situation where both parties are best served by going their separate ways.

But threatening violence is never the answer. Originally Posted by Toyz

So true. The only justifications for violence are self-defense and the defense of others. In either case, threats are a liability. Threatening violence is the hallmark of a bully.

You did what many here do not have the balls to do or are to pussy whipped or worry about what the peanut gallery will think. Originally Posted by RALPHEY BOY

Physically intimidating a woman half your size isn't ballsy, it's cowardly.

Physically intimidating a woman half your size isn't ballsy, it's cowardly. Originally Posted by Centaur

I agree, especially in a situation like this.

the solutions seems simple after reading all of this.. OP< YOU NEED A DIFFERENT HOBBY!!!
Or a hobby in a different arena.. such as, oh.. fishing, motor rebuilding, anything that doesn't involve women and sex.

I don't believe this to be a chronic problem with the OP, if it's true what he says about meeting many prior providers without any problems. It sounds like this was a one time very bad decision. OP's heat in the moment got the better of his judgement.

As to his posting on here, it looks like he just wanted feedback on what he did. Perhaps a preemptory explanation, in anticipation of the provider posting an alert on him.

OP - step into the shoes of the provider. You felt cheated, confronted the provider and got your money back. Fact that the provider offered to return all your money shows how threatened she felt at the moment. She called you back after because she felt cheated. After all, you did get a HJTC in exchange for nothing.....

You can:

1) Take the high road, contact the provider and pay her an amount for the job she did.

2) Leave this incident behind you, and remember not to repeat the mistake.

Should have been a man discussed this with her before you left calm and polite NOT stand outside her apartment and yell like a douche.
She might have neighbors or leasing people around at the time could have gotten her evicted over your imagined slight.
An even bigger man and you say you are ( PUN INTENDED) after she gave you the whole donation back offered some back and smooth things over right there and smooth sailing....

OP - step into the shoes of the provider. You felt cheated, confronted the provider and got your money back. Fact that the provider offered to return all your money shows how threatened she felt at the moment. She called you back after because she felt cheated. After all, you did get a HJTC in exchange for nothing..... Originally Posted by Beagle

An interesting exercise. What if the roles were reversed even?

What if you invited a provider over to your house for an hour outcall session, but she stays 30 minutes overtime. Now she doesn't say anything about it as she walks out the door, but five minutes later she comes back. When you open the door, she says all seriously, "I don't normally burn peoples' houses down when they're at work, but I think you owe me for 30 extra minutes..."

Now that may be a bit of hyperbole, but regardless, as a hobbiest in that scenario, I'd probably feel like I were being threatened or intimidated.

I woulda told you you could have 80 back, and I woulda kept the 100, and I sure wouldnt have let you intimidate me. This was not ok, you mention your a big man, and that you went through with the session regardless of the time, you choose to put on your clothes and you dont know if she woulda kept going. Sorry but if I have an hour session and in 20 mins a guy starts to get dressed, I am getting dressed too. You got your rocks and and left and then go back with the starting statement "Im usually not a violent man" Basically you were telling her that if she didnt give you your money back you would get violent, smh. So basically you think you were owed a free HJ are you fucking kidding me. You choose to go see that girl, you knew she was on bp, and you admit you saw she had a bad review, so this is how you justify your actions.

FYI this isnt BP and I guarantee you that you pull that shit with girls on here there likely to tazor your ass and ask questions later.

And to top it off, obviously you havent spent alot of time on this board cause they way you are putting it its like your bragging you got some free services. Most the men on here would never think that shits cool, and you get no points for how you handled your self.

Have fun trying to get a date on here, she tried to offer you to come in and probably try to make things right, and not to mention she actually offered to give back your donation. Shes def better then me cause I woulda told you to get to stepping.

Your a bully, and thats all you are Originally Posted by shayla84

probably hard to intimidate you with you being in a (staff edit; forbidden topic; ztonk) and never know when you'll pull a blade.