Knowing what we know now, would Obama and Hillary have still abandoned Iraq like they did?

Ok, let's teach the libtards how to take baby steps and start with an easier question first.... knowing what we know now, would our uber-prescient Veep Joe Biden still have made the following statement in 2010?

Really? Don't you recall when they asked Bush if he had made any mistakes or had any regrets about his time in office? Do you think that was fair? Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

What does fair have to do with anything? Life isn't fair. Get over it, bitch boy.

You know I don't understand why you keep throwing that out there. Islam has not had the enlightment like Christianity has. Is it written somewhere that an enlightenment is going to happen at all? Or does that excuse what they're doing? They're going to kill us all but don't worry, someday they will be enlightened and they will feel real bad about what they did. You can stop throwing out lame excuses because that is how it comes across. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Your assumption that it is an excuse, speaks about you, more than it does me. Is it possible to try and understand why something is happening and it not be an excuse? I'm not excusing anything. I'm simply trying to explain why it might be happening. It's not original with me. There's been much written about Islam and Christianity and the fact that one had an enlightenment period and the other hasn't.

It's not lame, it's an attempt at understanding. I know you don't get that. You've illustrated that you rarely try and understand anything at all.

You're also naive if you think that the economic situation plays no part in it. People who are happy in their work and their lives don't go around blowing people up, for the most part. Christianity commands the same of non-believers. You don't see Christians, for the most part, going around blowing people up. Islam has not had the enlightenment period that Christianity has. Islam is in the 1400s. Originally Posted by WombRaider

Osama Bin Laden is part of the Saudi royal family. He had a degree in civil engineering. Didn't stop him from becoming a terrorist.

So called "Jihadi Bob" had a degree in IT work.

Maj. Nidal Hasan had a job. That didn't stop him from going on a shooting spree at Fort Hood in the name of Allah.

By the way, the Bible does not command Christians to kill non-believers. Christians are commanded to spread the gospel of Christ, not to kill people. In fact, just the opposite.

Christians are told not to cast their pearls before swine. They are told that if they enter a town, and none will hear them, they are to shake the dust of that town from their boots. Lastly, Christians are commanded to follow the law of the land, "Render unto Ceasar, that which is Ceasar's, and to God that which is God's".

In centuries past, when Christians persecuted or executed non-believers, they did so in direct contradiction to the teachings of the Bible. Today, when Muslims kill non-believers, they do so in precise obedience to what the Koran teaches them to do.

+1

Undercunt only knows superficial talking points. He can't even define the Enlightenment, let alone explain its significance in the history of Western thought or its relevance/irrelevance to modern Islam. Originally Posted by lustylad

The fact that you label the Enlightenment as a superficial talking point illustrates your ignorance on the subject. The fact of the matter is that christianity did enjoy a period of enlightenment that Islam has not. This is a fact. it's not being used as an excuse. I'm merely pointing out the fact that it happened. You could do with a little enlightenment of your own. The emphasis on reason and and analysis would definitely be welcomed by the rest of us who put up with your inane drivel.

Osama Bin Laden is part of the Saudi royal family. He had a degree in civil engineering. Didn't stop him from becoming a terrorist.

So called "Jihadi Bob" had a degree in IT work.

Maj. Nidal Hasan had a job. That didn't stop him from going on a shooting spree at Fort Hood in the name of Allah.

By the way, the Bible does not command Christians to kill non-believers. Christians are commanded to spread the gospel of Christ, not to kill people. In fact, just the opposite.

Christians are told not to cast their pearls before swine. They are told that if they enter a town, and none will hear them, they are to shake the dust of that town from their boots. Lastly, Christians are commanded to follow the law of the land, "Render unto Ceasar, that which is Ceasar's, and to God that which is God's".

In centuries past, when Christians persecuted or executed non-believers, they did so in direct contradiction to the teachings of the Bible. Today, when Muslims kill non-believers, they do so in precise obedience to what the Koran teaches them to do. Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

You couldn't be more wrong. Let me educate you. And naming three or four jihadists who had money doesn't negate the many who don't.

"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)"

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT


If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)


Basically god orders the death of anyone who doesn't follow him or bow to him.

You couldn't be more wrong. Let me educate you. And naming three or four jihadists who had money doesn't negate the many who don't.

"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)"

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT


If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)


Basically god orders the death of anyone who doesn't follow him or bow to him. Originally Posted by WombRaider

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoeSdDcS1LA

Catchy tune, huh. Great little song sung in Sunday Schools all the time. I wish our "no kids" rule would allow me to post a video of a bunch of kids singing it.

Anybody ever ask what the people of Jerhico thought about the whole thing?

After all, The Lord told Joshua to leave no thing alive. No men, no women, no children, no animals, nothing.

Genghus Khan, Attilla the Hun, Joe Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Saddam, and a host of other mass murders and Despots Could take lessons from ole Joshua on how to get the job done.

I have now heard enough!

Who is the next candidate?????? Originally Posted by bigtex

I also noticed that Tampon did lie on his similar post. Bush was answering a question about what he would have done back in 2003 if everything were the same. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Ok JDIdiot, let's take this from the top! Shall we?

JDIdiot, please point out exactly where I lied.

Did I lie when I said, "I have now heard enough!"

Uhhhh, no!

Did I lie when I asked the simple question, "who is the next candidate?"

Uhhhh, no x 2!

Other than the two instances noted above, all I did was share an article.

Was the article a lie?

If so, it was the article's author and/or JShrub who lied. Not me! Duh!

JDIdiot's clearly trying to shoot the messenger! The story was about JShrub. Not me! Either the Third Coming of Shrub lied or he didn't answer the question.

Either way, JShrub fucked up!

As for me, all I said was "next candidate." And that was not a lie!

JD really is an Idiot! isn't he!

NEXT CANDIDATE!!!!!

You're also naive if you think that the economic situation plays no part in it. People who are happy in their work and their lives don't go around blowing people up, for the most part. Christianity commands the same of non-believers. You don't see Christians, for the most part, going around blowing people up. Islam has not had the enlightenment period that Christianity has. Islam is in the 1400s. Originally Posted by WombRaider

You are right!

You couldn't be more wrong. Let me educate you. And naming three or four jihadists who had money doesn't negate the many who don't.

"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)"

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT


If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)


Basically god orders the death of anyone who doesn't follow him or bow to him. Originally Posted by WombRaider

God can do whatever he wants and it is OK. However, your one NT passage didn't have God killing the people, they killed themselves with their wicked ways.

You couldn't be more wrong. Let me educate you. And naming three or four jihadists who had money doesn't negate the many who don't.

"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)"

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT


If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)


Basically god orders the death of anyone who doesn't follow him or bow to him. Originally Posted by WombRaider

I know what you mean...

The Enlightenment was not a Christian event. Christians who say they believe the entire Bible like to ignore some of the more violent part. We need to understand that the Bible is not the Word of God, it is the Word of Constantine, who needed a basis under which to suppress the Roman Empire. There is wisdom in the Bible, but there is a lot of crap, too.

Yes I vote. And the first time I did so we got rid of that peanut boy Carter. Originally Posted by D.G.

So if that's the case, then "they" didn't "let" Obama (I think that's who you were talking about) be president. YOU did! TWICE!



Oh, and welcome to ECCIE!

No i didnt let Dum-bama in. It was those gays and people who believed he's American when its proven hes not. Its all those young guns that think the old dont know what we are talking about as they have had i nice cushy like with no sense of struggling or hardship. All those self entitled to respect when none is given and are all woe is me no one cares or will give me free hand out for not even trying.

The Enlightenment was not a Christian event. Christians who say they believe the entire Bible like to ignore some of the more violent part. We need to understand that the Bible is not the Word of God, it is the Word of Constantine, who needed a basis under which to suppress the Roman Empire. There is wisdom in the Bible, but there is a lot of crap, too. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

No, it was not a christian event. It was, however, an event that changed christianity. The OT is much older than Constantine. And it's all crap.