US Role take 2

I thought we had an agreement with Kadaffi that if he handed over his WMA's and promised to stay out of the global terroism business we would leave him alone.

I don't see that we have a dog in this fight. Originally Posted by Whirlaway

There are 3 parties within Libya= Qadaffi, rebels, non-involved innocents........we know what Qadaffi's about.....no idea what the rebels are about.....innocents caught in the middle and also targetted......intervention?

There are 3 parties within Libya= Qadaffi, rebels, non-involved innocents........we know what Qadaffi's about.....no idea what the rebels are about.....innocents caught in the middle and also targetted......intervention? Originally Posted by Marshall

I would stick to the deal that we bartered for.....he doesn't mess with WMDs and global terrorism and we leave him and his corrupt regime alone.

I meant hell would freeze over before French pilots would enforce a no fly zone. I had been celebrating too hard and broke my PWI rule.

I meant hell would freeze over before French pilots would enforce a no fly zone. I had been celebrating too hard and broke my PWI rule. Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

Actually the French Air Force played a significant role in enforcing the no-fly zone over northern Iraq to protect the Kurds during the 1990's.

Remember in 1986, France, Spain and Italy denied Reagan the use of their airspace; hence, the eighteen F-111 bombers and four support EF-111 electronic countermeasures aircraft were launched from the United Kingdom. They reached Tripoli, via Gibraltar, with no problem. France is closer, so French aircraft can reach the region with no problem. And there is the Charles de Gaulle (R91). Originally Posted by I B Hankering

The French have a number of our old KC-135 tankers as part of their NATO commitment. They'll have more than enough ability to enforce an NFZ.

The Libyan air force has nothing but some old MIG-23's and such so there's nothing to match the French planes. I doubt they'd even fly against them.

The big targets are the Libyan's Mi-24 Hind helicopters. Thems is nasty versus untrained, poorly armed rebels. They need to keep the Hinds out of the air or they'll eat the rebels alive with 'em.

Mazo.

The French have a number of our old KC-135 tankers as part of their NATO commitment. They'll have more than enough ability to enforce an NFZ.

The Libyan air force has nothing but some old MIG-23's and such so there's nothing to match the French planes. I doubt they'd even fly against them.

The big targets are the Libyan's Mi-24 Hind helicopters. Thems is nasty versus untrained, poorly armed rebels. They need to keep the Hinds out of the air or they'll eat the rebels alive with 'em.

Mazo. Originally Posted by Mazomaniac

The Hind is a beast to be feared.

The UN, as usual, has not only overstepped its bounds but its charter. In no way does the UN have any authority to interfere in Libya, nor do we, since this is a civil war caused by a Muslim uprising. Kadaffi has every right, as the leader of his country, to do exactly what he is doing in order to maintain control of the country. What is going on in the Middle East right now, in general, is a Muslim uprising and it has to be this way. Since there are no more superpowers, the next to fall are the dictatorships then I do not want to be around for what comes next.

As far as the US role, as has been previously mentioned, there is no US dog in that internal, sovereign exercise of power. We need to focus on fixing what is broken here first while extricating ourselves from all Middle East conflicts so we can prepare for the battle that is coming which has been foretold a couple of millennia ago.

The times, they are a changing and it will get really interesting from here on out.

The UN, as usual, has not only overstepped its bounds but its charter. In no way does the UN have any authority to interfere in Libya, nor do we, since this is a civil war caused by a Muslim uprising. Kadaffi has every right, as the leader of his country, to do exactly what he is doing in order to maintain control of the country. What is going on in the Middle East right now, in general, is a Muslim uprising and it has to be this way. Since there are no more superpowers, the next to fall are the dictatorships then I do not want to be around for what comes next.
Originally Posted by PhantomofTheOpera

Whether intervention is in the national interests of the US, I don't know.....the US has a God-given right if it is what is in our national interests....

Qadaffi has every right to murder innocent civilians? That is your opinion....WOW

No more superpowers? Really.................


My question is who are these rebels?

The UN, as usual, has not only overstepped its bounds but its charter. In no way does the UN have any authority to interfere in Libya, nor do we, since this is a civil war caused by a Muslim uprising. Kadaffi has every right, as the leader of his country, to do exactly what he is doing in order to maintain control of the country. What is going on in the Middle East right now, in general, is a Muslim uprising and it has to be this way. Since there are no more superpowers, the next to fall are the dictatorships then I do not want to be around for what comes next.

As far as the US role, as has been previously mentioned, there is no US dog in that internal, sovereign exercise of power. We need to focus on fixing what is broken here first while extricating ourselves from all Middle East conflicts so we can prepare for the battle that is coming which has been foretold a couple of millennia ago.

The times, they are a changing and it will get really interesting from here on out. Originally Posted by PhantomofTheOpera

Just another Abraham Lincoln when it comes to Civil War.

Whether intervention is in the national interests of the US, I don't know.....the US has a God-given right if it is what is in our national interests....

Qadaffi has every right to murder innocent civilians? That is your opinion....WOW

No more superpowers? Really.................


My question is who are these rebels? Originally Posted by Marshall

Let's see you support this statement in theory and fact. And who gets to decide our "national interest?" You??? I don't think so. You, actually, would be my last choice, not my first.

Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- French, British and American military forces made good Saturday on international warnings to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, using fighter jets and cruise missiles to hammer military positions.


110 U.S. Tomahawk missiles have landed in the western area around Tripoli and Misrata, a senior Defense Department official said Saturday.


Earlier, French fighter jets deployed over Libya fired at a military vehicle Saturday, the country's first strike against Gadhafi's military forces, who earlier attacked the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.

Prime Minister David Cameron said late Saturday that British forces also are in action over Libya.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa...war/index.html

Just another Abraham Lincoln when it comes to Civil War.



Let's see you support this statement in theory and fact. And who gets to decide our "national interest?" You??? I don't think so. You, actually, would be my last choice, not my first. Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

We all get to decide through the representative process.....funny how this answer never crossed your mind.......

Just another Abraham Lincoln when it comes to Civil War.



Let's see you support this statement in theory and fact. And who gets to decide our "national interest?" You??? I don't think so. You, actually, would be my last choice, not my first. Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

Since you hold yourself up as knowing more than everybody else, tell us who these rebels are?

Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- French, British and American military forces made good Saturday on international warnings to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, using fighter jets and cruise missiles to hammer military positions.


110 U.S. Tomahawk missiles have landed in the western area around Tripoli and Misrata, a senior Defense Department official said Saturday.


Earlier, French fighter jets deployed over Libya fired at a military vehicle Saturday, the country's first strike against Gadhafi's military forces, who earlier attacked the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.

Prime Minister David Cameron said late Saturday that British forces also are in action over Libya.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa...war/index.html Originally Posted by I B Hankering

A new landspeed record from being neutral to being the aggressor & waging war.

Maybe BO feels that the American public won't unseat a President during wartime, hence the sudden new war.

He promised NO American troops on the ground there. Is he shooting for 100% broken promises?

A new landspeed record from being neutral to being the aggressor & waging war.

Maybe BO feels that the American public won't unseat a President during wartime, hence the sudden new war.

He promised NO American troops on the ground there. Is he shooting for 100% broken promises? Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

You will still vote for him again....HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! This is all confusing to you, but he's the commie you want him to be.....do a little reading on Jim Cone, you'll feel better..............

BTW: No snarky response to my previous posts? STFU is the best policy for you......

A new landspeed record from being neutral to being the aggressor & waging war. Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

The Japanese still have us beat.

The unsuspecting ships lay peaceably in their Pacific harbor that winter morning. A world away, the drowsy sailors' commander in chief had been negotiating with Japanese diplomats. But then, with no advance warning, Japan launched the infamous sneak attack. Deadly torpedoes and bombs came out of nowhere, and soon the harbor was a flaming mess of sunken ships. Screaming sailors swam for their lives through fiery oil-blackened waters.
President Roosevelt admired the sneak attack. "I was thoroughly well pleased with the Japanese victory," the president wrote his son.
Maybe Teddy would have felt differently if the sailors had been Americans. But it was the Russians who were taken by surprise that morning at Port Arthur on February 8, 1904. (p. 29, Bradley, James. Flyboys. Boston: Little, Brown and Company. 2003.)

Oh! And there was that thing at Pearl Harbor 37 years later.


"Hope and Change" has taken another torpedo hit below the water line. "O" is learning there is more to politics in the real world than posturing and espousing high sounding platitudes.