Thanks Obama

Healthcare is a service. People don't have a right to services on other people's dime. Originally Posted by cowboy8055

Thank you Ayn Rand, who died on social security while medicare paid for her treatment.

Guess Boogey men knocked the twin towers down right....You speak of worlds you do not know and probably have never and will never see.... You take your safety and security blanket provided by the soldiers of this nation for granted. Would you rather our nation be like Israel where you have to worry every day if the bus your family member is getting on or the mall they are visiting is going to be bombed... Originally Posted by ben8888

It's the 2 bullshit wars on the boogeymen, which have accomplished nothing. This was a criminal act requiring a police response. But it was used by the the Repugnant Party to consolidate their power and to make money for their contributors. And to scare the ignorant into voting for them.

Life is a right yes. No one should take it from you at ANY point. Health Care is not because there is no way to guarantee that there will be the people, resources or knowledge to provide it. If we meld the two than we are just picking who gets to live through care and who doesn't.
Two people are gravely injured. It's possible that if there was enough time and resources I could save both buy, I choose to save the one I think has a better chance. Did I violate the others right to life? Originally Posted by Ceremony

Originally Posted by jokacz

Germany 1941.... Really, jokacz?
Hahaha

I just returned from Europe where I spend a lot of time on business. Socialized medicine (and European socialized government) is something which I am very familiar with. I'll say it plainly - it doesn't work. Trust me, you don't want to live like Europeans especially when it comes to medical care. This country had a good medical system which needed some fine tuning to make it better before 2009. After President Obama imposed European-type socialist government on us our healthcare system went to hell (along with our economy).

It is especially interesting to travel in Eastern European countries that were formerly communist. Until President Trump was elected the citizens of those countries would tell me they thought we were on a path of self-destruction and trying to become what they fought for 40 years to get rid of.

Just my .02.

Germany 1941.... Really, jokacz?
Hahaha Originally Posted by Ceremony

Hitler was to the left of The Orange Moron, apparently.

It was National Socialism after all.

The real issue in all this is the cost of medical care. Until we as a country address it, everything will cost too damn much. We rejected one proposal in 1994 and turned everything over to the insurance companies.

And in FACT most of the rest of the 1st world--yes w/gov. run systems -- has better health care and better results.

Hitler was to the left of The Orange Moron, apparently.

It was National Socialism after all. Originally Posted by jokacz

Ah, yes. Hitler's Germany, known as a bastion of healthcare as a Right. People were just dieing to get treated. Free train rides to weight loss programs and showers to promote personal hygiene.

It's the 2 bullshit wars on the boogeymen, which have accomplished nothing. This was a criminal act requiring a police response. But it was used by the the Repugnant Party to consolidate their power and to make money for their contributors. And to scare the ignorant into voting for them. Originally Posted by jokacz

Dont forget to thank Obama for allowing Afghans to farm Poppys whole sale.... I mean it has not lead to anything bad in this country ya know like the massive raging Epidemic that is killing hundreds of people a day here. BUT PRAISE YOUR SAVIOR OBAMA HE HAD ALL THE ANSWERS! His legacy will be the worst drug epidemic this country has seen.

Hmmmm took a massive spike when OBAMA allowed them to start farming it again..... https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-to...se-death-rates

I just returned from Europe where I spend a lot of time on business. Socialized medicine (and European socialized government) is something which I am very familiar with. I'll say it plainly - it doesn't work. Trust me, you don't want to live like Europeans especially when it comes to medical care.
Originally Posted by Micton

Apparently libs think socialized healthcare will work fine here. Or maybe they don't give a shit if it works well or not. It's more about income redistribution. How better to achieve that than to declare everything under the sun to be some kind of fundamental human right.

As far as socialized healthcare in America, that's probably a moot point. That's not likely to happen any time soon. Big Pharma and the insurance companies run healthcare. They have a lot of influence in D.C. They aren't about to give up what they have.

Originally Posted by jokacz

List of all bankrupt countries

Sausage threD. No VP Gona weigh in how to manage healthcare from the entrepreneurial side whew

Dont forget to thank Obama for allowing Afghans to farm Poppys whole sale.... I mean it has not lead to anything bad in this country ya know like the massive raging Epidemic that is killing hundreds of people a day here. BUT PRAISE YOUR SAVIOR OBAMA HE HAD ALL THE ANSWERS! His legacy will be the worst drug epidemic this country has seen.

Hmmmm took a massive spike when OBAMA allowed them to start farming it again..... https://www.drugabuse.gov/related-to...se-death-rates Originally Posted by ben8888

The vast majority of the new addicts are poor white trash.

So I guess it was a conspiracy to suppress the vote of the righties.

List of all bankrupt countries Originally Posted by lilylivered

List of morally bankrupt countries:

USA

Apparently libs think socialized healthcare will work fine here. Or maybe they don't give a shit if it works well or not. It's more about income redistribution. How better to achieve that than to declare everything under the sun to be some kind of fundamental human right.

As far as socialized healthcare in America, that's probably a moot point. That's not likely to happen any time soon. Big Pharma and the insurance companies run healthcare. They have a lot of influence in D.C. They aren't about to give up what they have. Originally Posted by cowboy8055

Congratulations, you've discovered the core of the problem. Big pharma and big healthcare in the U.S. alone are 80% the size of the entire worldwide petroleum industry. I'd say that was income in dire need of redistribution.