Providers wanting your personal information

Providers are small business owners. They define the product they are offering, They define the requirements for new customers, they define the price they charge. If you choose to pass on the product then they have to live with out your business.

What’s not to understand about this.

If you don't like their screening requirements: Move along to someone else.
If you don't like their rates: Move along to someone else.
If you don't like their level of service: Move along to someone else.
If you don't like where they are located: Move along to someone else.
If she is not of your preferred body type, height, weight, race, nationality, ethnicity, hair color, tattoo status, or religion: Move along to someone else.

The comment about someone else seeing their well being and family being more important than yours is universal. You should have the very same attitude.

As already stated in this thread: This is their business. They can run it as they like. There is no "fair market value" on ass. If there were, we'd see those labels on the ladies like we see in the meat market at the grocery store. You could see what you like, see how much it is per whatever, scan it at the register and go to town. Each person, on both sides of the aisle, have their own reasons for participating in this hobby. So find someone who fits what screening you are willing to commit to, has the rates you are willing to pay for the services you like, is in the part of town that you are comfortable going to, and who fits your desired type of lady (or man). It's as simple as that.

Providers are small business owners. They define the product they are offering, They define the requirements for new customers, they define the price they charge. If you choose to pass on the product then they have to live with out your business.

What’s not to understand about this. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

There are some ladies on these sits who I think would be amazing corporate sales types, given what I've seen on their tenacity and marketing of themselves. If someone could bottle that..they'd make a killing.

^wrong,there are plenty of gentlemen seeing verified providers that have great reviews without any wrong doings and happily providing screening information.
I don't expect a hobbyist to hand over all his personal data to an unverified woman that has no reputation.
A reputable provider is the same as a company that has stellar reviews and is with the BBB.
The intelligent hobbyist are doing that for a business investment. Originally Posted by Busty

Nah. Using the BBB as a template for a business being good is just about as useful as believing all the great "reviews" left about "verified" providers. I've shown up plenty of times to well-reviewed providers that looked nothing like the pictures, and produced poor service. I'm not saying that's a majority percentage, but it's enough. It's like those businesses in Costco that pitch you as you walk out the door. If you believe that they must be great because Costco let them in, well, you deserve what you get when purchasing solar from them. lol

I'll stop with this one, because it appears folks here are mostly aligned on the outcome of not wanting to send self-identifying info, we just differ on where the sympathies lie. Best of luck to all.

Easy solution, choose the one's that don't screen Originally Posted by Busty

+1

There are only two reasons a provider would want personal info. One, for her safety in knowing that the client is legit and not going to waste her time. The other reason is to scam the client outright or have a record that could potentially bribe the the client in the future.

I don't like giving my personal info unless I know that the provider is legit and most of the time I look elsewhere. I don't understand that if you are a member of a verification site (like p411) then why is that not enough.

I once had a provider tell me as a member of p411 she needed more info because I hadn't seen a provider in two years in my okays list. She said clients change over time and needed something currently. Which made more sense to me.

Ladies are there other reasons you would want more personal info of a potential client if that client is a member of a verification site that you are a member of as well?

There are only two reasons a provider would want personal info. One, for her safety in knowing that the client is legit and not going to waste her time. The other reason is to scam the client outright or have a record that could potentially bribe the the client in the future.

I don't like giving my personal info unless I know that the provider is legit and most of the time I look elsewhere. I don't understand that if you are a member of a verification site (like p411) then why is that not enough.

I once had a provider tell me as a member of p411 she needed more info because I hadn't seen a provider in two years in my okays list. She said clients change over time and needed something currently. Which made more sense to me.

Ladies are there other reasons you would want more personal info of a potential client if that client is a member of a verification site that you are a member of as well? Originally Posted by Mr69Jones

I actually had a provider on p411 tell me that wasn’t enough for her screening. Plenty of elite ladies who don’t play the bullshit deposit and excessive info game.

As a provider who's been in the adult industry since a very young age, I understand both sides concerns and I can say I only wish we had these types of services to keep us safe. In the late 90's/ early 00's we had to use a buddy system which did not always work. However, as a provider in this day and age I understand the gentleman's concern because yes there are a lot of scammers that'll take your deposit and rob you, no doubt but that's also why thinking smarter not harder or with your man parts comes in. Things have changed drastically with the technology. But most legit, verified providers make there name their business and build that reputation to ease those concerns, its our business and livelihood those that don't ask those things usually come with "company" which is fine except you don't know the type of "company" they're keeping. those are also the ones that switch pictures, change numbers and stuff, I've had my number 15 years. which can't be said for most "anonymous" acquaintances. However is far as screening goes I do require rwi and ive never had an issue, I'm very discreet but ive also had many people fill out my form and have domestic battery charges, I've found people on the registry, like no I will not put myself in danger. the amount of dispicable behavior that has grown at an all time high. and yes while I understand Im replaceable in someones eyes I'm not in mine or my family's so therefore I will continue to ask that. As far as p411 goes they do not look to see if you have a violent criminal record or are any registry its simply helpful to some however I don't accept references either so that doesn't work for me.

Under cover cops possess a second ID (fake) and background to substantiate their information in case their identity comes into question. I know a DEA agent who has such documents issued by his department. I reckon an undercover Vice cop could easily infiltrate an agency or independent lovely without ever drawing suspicion. There is no fail proof method, the risks are always present in this thing we call hobby.

Take your own advice because all the griping won't change how a provider does her safety screening that weeds out the rapist and killers.Not everything is about running into a cop.
Originally Posted by Busty

I agree with you, Clients that cooperate with screening also dont push boundaries. Clients that push boundaries like to tell me how I should screen them. Im often mystified as to why they contacted me to begin with if they dont want to go through real world screening. Its mentioned early in my ad in grave detail. I also offer a way around it if they have two referrals. If he has no referrals then a newbie has to start somewhere. I can sometimes verify if they are using a real phone number. When they arrive at my studio I have my LMT license hanging on the wall.

Some providers expect you to provide your employment information and/or personal social media accounts.

What bullshit.

Yeah, I get why they ask for that information. They want to make sure you aren't a cop. But at the same time, they should understand why we'd be reluctant to give that information.

When you're committing a crime by doing business with someone, it's understandable you'll want to keep your crime separate from your professional/personal life.

If a provider is that paranoid we'll turn out to be a cop, she's in the wrong line of work. Besides, there's legal risk for the client too. We run the risk that the provider will turn out to be a cop. Yet we manage to minimize said risk without asking for personal social media accounts from the provider (Yeah, I know a lot of providers will share their Instagram or Twitter account under their stage name. But that's different than her personal social media accounts. A provider would never share her personal social media accounts with us)

Speaking of stage names, the vast majority of providers use one. It's pretty hypocritical to demand extremely personal information from a guy you won't even tell your real name to. Originally Posted by AdventurousMouse

It's definitely a tricky situation. On one hand, providers want to protect themselves from potential legal issues, which makes sense given the risks involved in their line of work. On the other hand, asking for personal employment information or social media accounts can feel invasive and puts clients in a vulnerable position.

It’s understandable that clients want to keep their personal and professional lives separate, especially when engaging in activities that are already somewhat illicit. The expectation of anonymity on both sides is a fundamental part of these transactions, and it's important for both parties to feel secure.

Using stage names does create a double standard; if providers can maintain their privacy, clients should be able to do the same. Open communication about boundaries and privacy can help build trust. It might be worth discussing this issue within the community to find a more balanced approach that respects everyone's need for privacy while still ensuring safety

Good thread, good thoughts.

I found my happy medium years ago. I won't see a provider who doesn't do some type of screening. Nor will I see one who wants too much information.

It's just my sweet spot. Everyone should find their own...and have fun doing it.

All the best.

I’ve seen numerous instances, almost daily, where providers drop the dox on clients for doing little or nothing. My recommendation is to screen these girls hard. If you see them posting dox on a client or celebrating when someone else does, avoid. The safety excuse is almost always BS, it is mostly for the purpose of gaining leverage over you whether that be favorable reviews or good old fashioned blackmail. Use the big head always.

Your job, marriage or life will never be more important than mine. I can only hope you’re a cop opposed to a rapist or murderer. Perhaps do some research as to what all has happened to ladies over the years. Just keep thinking your wanker is the most important thing in the world.Get a grip Mr I joined 2 years ago, and think I know everything. Originally Posted by Audrey Astor

Maybe you’re the cop. Plenty of times ladies, and guys for that matter, work with LE to get favorable treatment on their own crimes.

Providers are small business owners. They define the product they are offering, They define the requirements for new customers, they define the price they charge. If you choose to pass on the product then they have to live with out your business.

What’s not to understand about this. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

That doesn’t make a working girl wanting a drivers license and access to one’s family, and those willing to give it to them, unretarded or unworthy of discussion.