What's going on!?!?

Being a provider is a lot like being in sales and paid commission only. There are some weeks or months when no matter how much you discount, customers will not buy.
For hobbiest, this is discretionary spending. Some weeks and months they have more money to spend.
If the roles were reversed and I was a provider, I would not solely rely on "sales" unless I had good cash flow to cover living expenses. I would have a regular job to cover living expenses, provide employment cover and wash money. Providing would be a part-time job where I made my real money and invested it in things that cannot be taken away, stolen, repossessed etc, education.

What he said! You encounter everything you just describe regardless of what you are selling. Originally Posted by harry

I've been thinking the same thing as the OP, Miss Ginger, and the lovely Angel Eyes Lacey. It HAS been different in the last couple of months. Much more game players and jerks, and it's getting harder to weed out the losers to get to the real clients.

Thanks so much HoneyRose and Skylar Cruz, excellent advice, which I appreciate. I have only been in the business since Sept 2011, and took Nov, Dec and Jan off, so I obviously am not the most experienced provider and I don't know any other ladies personally, so I really learn a lot from reading posts from the ladies who know what they are doing.

And MonkMonk, yes, there are a lot of lying bastards in this business, which makes it difficult to be a PROVIDER, ESCORT, COMPANION, whatever. Maybe you prefer to see hookers but as I said before I have only been entertaining gentlemen for a few months, but I have NEVER had a problem getting a reference from a lady. NEVER. And I have NEVER been accused of pestering anyone for a reference. We all know we have to be careful, and the one incredibly positive thing I have gotten from being verified on ECCIE and P411 is the ability to PM ladies for references, and I am always very happy to give a reference when they PM me. Of course most of the verified ladies screen.

But for Steviewinwood and Harry- business is business-NO it's not. We are not selling a product. We are sharing are own God given bodies, we are giving our clients a gift of ourselves, which most women cannot do. As we all know, sex is quite different for men and women, which of course is why the men pay. It's not like a regular business at all. As I have told a couple of ladies who have thought about it, being a provider takes a part of you soul that most women are not prepared.to give. To really give yourself to a client as a GFE ,to be an excellent provider, to really open yourself up in a way that women are designed to only do to their boyfriends, husbands, and men they really care about, you have to be prepared to give up something private and personal on a regular basis. To provide really good service, you have to know that private part of yourself may never come back. Will you ever be able to have a real boyfriend again? Just one? What about marriage? Will a man fall in love with an escort? Life is not the movie "Pretty Woman". I may never have a man in my life again, a man of my own, who doesn't care about my past profession.

So no, it's not business. I'm giving an integral part of my life that will change my life and my future and any relationship I have in the future. Used car salesmen and accountments, doctors and lawyers don't do that.

I have thought about this a lot, and came to the decision that this is still what I want to do, even with the consequenses of a maybe never falling in love and growing old with someone, even with having to put up with the jerks, losers and game players. I Ihave made the decision to give that personal, intimate part of myself to my clients. For now. I have made the decision to give real, actual, girlfriend service, to give of my body to those of my choosing, for now.

http://www.eccie.net/member.php?u=100363


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The game players, jerks and losers have always been in the hobby. The question is where are the desirable hobbiest with more discretionary funds? Is this an annual issue- family vacations, back to school/college, quarterly tax payments etc.? Or, is this an anomaly for 2012. No doubt the economy has been on a slow crawl back from the edge of the abyss for the past 4 years.
Some hobbiest prefer quantity over quality. Others really don't have the discretionary funds to be spending in the first place. Others just like playing the game and like to haggle. Others are crooks/pimps. Others are psychos/stalkers.
Then, there are the hobbiests you seek. Regular/semi-regulars, with discretionary funds, respectful, punctual and someone you fell comfortable with. Where are they? Each hobbiest has a life, responsibilities, personal and financial commitments. They also have to manage the risks of the hobby. 1 or more of these can sideline a hobbiest.

4) I've already been giving a certain client a discount then he wants an even deeper discount for a good review. Smh Originally Posted by miss ginger

A provider offering a different rate for reviews is one thing but this fucktard demanding a discount for a "good review" is not just frowned upon on this site, but it can also be actionable by the Staff.

There's a good chance that you are not the only one that he is pulling this shit on.

So please do your co-workers a favor and name his ass (ECCIE HANDLE) in this thread so that when providers are doing screening they can know going in that he will try this sort of crap.

AND it will also help the clients on here to know what reviews to ignore because the chances of his reviews being honest after this sort of shit are zero.

So please do your co-workers a favor and name his ass (ECCIE HANDLE) in this thread so that when providers are doing screening they can know going in that he will try this sort of crap.

AND it will also help the clients on here to know what reviews to ignore because the chances of his reviews being honest after this sort of shit are zero. Originally Posted by LazurusLong

+1...Fuck yeah...name him. Follow thru with the venting, Miss Ginger. If he gets pissed about it, maybe some of the other Providers who've had a similar experience with him will post their support.

GingerKatt,

You are right, you are not selling a product, you are however, selling a service, regardless of the way you want to look at it. Yes, it is a service of intimate relations, many times with a stranger that you have never seen before, and if your real good at it, you will have multiple "boyfriends" that will see you on a regular basis and you will get paid cold hard cash to boot, and it is a lot of cash compared with the time you spend for that money.

In this aspect, the difference between a great, ATF or even a good provider and just a piece of ass, "wham bam thank you ma'am" is you know how to separate the real world from the hobby world and realize that this is a " business" without treating a client like all they are is a business transaction.

Election year...?

Hey hobbyists, I spent a glorious hhr with this pregnant babe last week...chk my review below. I can vouch for her...she is horny...n still hot (also I heard she added to her menu).

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=535324

True, True and actually a funny post. Some guys really are cheapskates and that sort of makes it suck for many of us as it puts the providers in a crap mood towards anyone.

While I understand the screening thingy, it is a little tedious and the P411 thing doesn't look that reliable to me (from reading the alert posts).

I've not met anyone from here (yet) but have from other venues. Never had a problem so far.

Miss ginger, you joined eccie over two years ago, have you been under a rock most of that time?

You should know this business is full of lying bastards wanting you to fuck or suck as cheap as possible. Most will not write a review if they already got the discount.

oh, and most hookers don't screen so quit pestering them for references.

this threAD gets a 3/10 on my scale. It was a 0 but you are cute so i gave you extra credit. Originally Posted by monkmonk

So is there some business somewhere NOT full of cheapskates, liars, time wasters, tire kickers, appointment cancellers, assholes, Eeyores, snipers, wannabes, poor record keepers, politicians, manipulators and general douche bags? If so, what is it and where do I sign up?

A provider offering a different rate for reviews is one thing but this fucktard demanding a discount for a "good review" is not just frowned upon on this site, but it can also be actionable by the Staff.

There's a good chance that you are not the only one that he is pulling this shit on.

So please do your co-workers a favor and name his ass (ECCIE HANDLE) in this thread so that when providers are doing screening they can know going in that he will try this sort of crap.

AND it will also help the clients on here to know what reviews to ignore because the chances of his reviews being honest after this sort of shit are zero. Originally Posted by LazurusLong

I disagree. A good review goes a long ways. I have not seen many a provider do to crappy written reviews that lacked detail even though the provider may be a good provider. I have seen many SHITTY providers based on a review where an overzealous hornball made the provider look like a damn porn star when she was more like a robot. REVIEWS are important and if you don't think you need them then you are severely mistaken. Maybe some providers that have a long term status with regular clients can get away without them but for most people they help.

Now, the only time I usually offer a review is to a new unestablished provider becauuse I'm taking a big risk not knowing who they are. But nonetheless reviews are important.

Yes good reviews do go a long way. But at the same time it should be a genuine review. And not one from some guy who will only write you one for a discounted rate. That's bs. Speaking for myself I'd rather have my full rate no discounted money and I'll get a review from a true gentlemen who truely enjoyed himself and wants others to know. Also ladies you can pm me for info.

And yes there are cheap people everywhere. But as providers this is our business, our way of making a living. I don't think clients would appreciate us going to their place of business trying to haggle them and demanding discounts on their products. Then theirs the clients who go see the cheap 50-60 girls off Bp and want to complain about it. Like what did you really expect from them. And complaining about the motel, those girls would have to see at least 4 clients a day just to get a room at the Hilton so come on now.

I want a double with miss ginger and lacey!

I hope I was able to shed some light on your questions. Originally Posted by pyramider

I'm so glad to see a post from you with more than 10 words in it! You can be quite profound. When you want to be.

Darling, it looks like a change in Modus Operandi might be in order. The suggestions that Pyramider suggested are only the beginning.

When I got tired of the BS calls, I went email only, with an auto responder. When I do get BS emails, I don't have to respond because they already have the answers they need via my autoresponse email.

I have never offered a review discount. Probably why I don't have many. And it's never stopped me from being as busy as I want to be. But the men that review me did them without prompting. And my philosophy on reviews is if I had to choose between a review and a second visit, I'd choose the second visit.

Because some ladies don't get the concept of the reference system, I have always been newbie friendly, and do my own screening. I've had issues with from girls on here to 1k/hr girls who feel that I shouldn't see their clients. I'll be damned if a jealous bitch stops me from meeting someone enjoyable.

My advice? Stop giving discounts for reviews. Period. If they are going to do the review, they'll do it anyway. You have enough to let people know you're legitimate and for new clients to make a decision.

Develop a business plan of sorts for yourself. Do a little research. Find out how not to have the problem you're having. Hopefully who you are can support the changes you're making, and you'll be successful.

Best of luck to you!

@Miss Honey Rose, you sexy lady, that Stair Step program is genius!