Need A, so I can fulfill B

Just get P411, saves a lot of trouble. I started as Newbie on P411, didn't have that many issues with providers who don't see newbies. Depends on how you approach them too obviously. If you researched enough, then you ought to know, P411 is best answer.

And before this question is asked, yes, P411 is discreet in how they go about verifying you.

I'd love to do ya Originally Posted by Jules Jaguar

He's going to have to get in line behind me love....

Yeah ... don't start with your number one draft pick. That's like asking the prom queen for a dance card.

Try fishing in the chat room. Sometimes you can impress them with a friendly conversation. Who's thought that cheesy pick-up line would work one day?

This might be harder to pull off, but you could also get another hobbyist for a referral to someone they know.

How would another hobbyist know how the fucktard behaves bcd?

I am newbie friendly. I believe everyone has to get their start somewhere, why not with me... I require that a newbie client give me personal information. Some are OK with it and some aren't. If its for my safety and even sense of safety, then you should be willing to give up a lot, including but not limited to your first born...kidding.. but u get the picture.. if the new client is willing to give out such personal info and trust that its for screening purposes only..things should go smoothly if his screening checks out. I inform them that as long as everything goes well during the screening process and session that they can use me as a ref. later if they chose. Gentlemen get to see everything about us. In my opinion, Its only fair we should somewhat be able to know about them.

This is how I saw my first ECCIE provider. A friend who is on the board recomended me to his favorite so she was willing to see me.

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This might be harder to pull off, but you could also get another hobbyist for a referral to someone they know. Originally Posted by omakase