Rochester What Have I Done Wrong????

youngatheart's Avatar
I'd agree that it's a combination of factors. The economy still sucks and people are cautious with their money which, in turn, means that we have to weigh the options of a higher priced provider vs a lower priced provider. And yes, as said above, $50 makes a BIG difference. I can appease my SO and take her out to dinner with that extra $50 and that makes her happy so she doesn't wonder why I don't have any money.
In the end, it comes down to this: if you feel that you are worthy of the rate you charge then charge that but if you aren't getting clients and can't pay the rent/mortgage/ whatever then you may want to consider either a lower rate or run a 1 week special.
(BTW Gabrielle, I am still nursing that cold. It won't go full blown and it won't go away. Hoping to see you soon.)
  • Laker
  • 10-08-2010, 06:22 AM
Gabrielle,

Sweet lady from my POV you have done absolutely nothing wrong, on the contrary from my experiences with you you have done everything in a caring, professional, and enjoyable manner. It is as has been pointed out, economy, seasonal, and just the overall timing. Just keep on being yourself and it will work out for you!
Deepthinker's Avatar
I think that youngatheart has the right idea. I do not think that everyone who is saying things such as "never feel you have to lower your rates" and such are doing the ladies a service (not intentionally). Gabrielle wants an honest answer or she wouldn't have asked. Where as it is nice to tell her that she is worth every penny she charges ( and personally , I would pay it ) , the facts would seem to point otherwise if she is not seeing the number of clients that she wants.

Let me say clearly that this is not a diss on Gabrielle and I firmly believe that the ladies should charge whatever they want to and let the "free market" decide. In fact, for me, Gabrielle's prices are very fair and I would pay them without hesitation. In fact, if it were not for the location and timing, I would have recently. That being said....

Her lack of business can not be service related as nobody has any thing except nice things to say about her and her service. It can be partly related to location as Rochester has a lot of competition -- although it seems that it may be that they are having a slow time as well. In the end, it comes down to money , and there are two sides to that equation.

Yes, the economy is bad , but one can't look at that in isolation and say that the economy is the problem, so don't adjust your rates. In a consulting business , when the economy allows for fewer dollars to be spent, a "consultant" may still provide the same excellent service, but it won't sell if people don't have the money to buy it. The consultant has the choice -- keep the rates up and work less , or titrate the rates down to where the present economy has levelled out. No business is immune to the economic realities.

After all, for those guys who said that rates are not a problem, take it to the logical extreme. If Gabrielle dropped her rates to $1 per hour, don't you think her schedule would fill? And if it was $1,000,000 per hour , she would have no business. In the end , it comes down to what people are willing to spend on a luxury item , and Gabrielle is a luxury. When money is tight, fewer people will spend at the same rate as when they are flush with cash. The supplier of services needs to recognize that and decide if it is worth their time and effort to try to adjust their rates with the economy or will pride in their work keep them from making that adjustment.

I realize that it can be difficult to adjust one's rates down, as there is an emotional component to it. Much like selling a house, people get attached to what they think their house is worth. Then when it sits on the market forever, they wonder why it won't sell. In the end, any good realtor will tell you that it is not selling as it is not priced correctly for the current market conditions. The homeowner, or seller of services, needs to remove the emotional component , and make an economic decision as to what the right price is for this economy.

So , to make a short story long, location makes a difference to some degree as to who your competition is Gabrielle. Service is not an issue in your case as it is consistently excellent. If you want to see more clients, rate adjustments to match the economic times is probably the way to go. My recommendation would be to introduce a temporary adjustment and call it a special or call it your temporary "depressed economy" rate or something though so you are not locking yourself into a rate that guys will assume to be the norm for the future. Then when cashflow improves, you can go back to the normal rate and guys won't assume that they have been granfathered in to a lower rate. By the same token, when times are great , you should feel free to elevate your rates accordingly as the economy works both ways.

If none of that works, you can come live in my office , at your current rate, and we can take care of each other's needs on a more regular basis.....kidding, of course. Hope that helps....
. as many of the guys have stated it is the economy. i know i wanted to see you for the longest time but as your rates hit 220 / 250 i just did not have the $ you then ran a 200 / special and i treated myself and its a memory that will last a lifetime. while id die to repeat there really is only so much $ for most guys. i have been fortunate to have enjoyed some of rochesters finest ladies often when they ran 100 or 120 hh specials. i would so like to meet Chloe / Erica / Mary or Brooke and if they charged $300 hr i am sure they like yourself would be worth every last cent but that still does not mean i could afford it. that being said the ladies have it tough too and the cost of rooms ,condoms , lube and lingere are not going down. if the ladies lower their prices they may be forced to do higher volume thus lowering their performance level so i do not know the answers but anybody who has seen your pics or better yet met you in person will vouch its nothing you have done. the sight of you in rcg in white stockings rates as one of the sexiest sights a man could ever witness
This is the first whole week in a while that I have decided to work at home here in Rochester. I have not gotten any response at all. I would like feedback from people as to what I am doing wrong. Rate? Service? Location? Etc? Please help me to fix whatever issues there are. I do care and if I am doing something wrong I would like to know.

Please send responses to sexygabrielleny@gmail.com Originally Posted by SexyGabrielle
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Along the lines of the economy, in my particular business what we've seen is clients still having discretionary funds, but what has happened is that they are opting into a lesser grade of product, and that allows them to do more things with that discretionary money........EX: buying a fully optioned Chevy AND a weeks vacation, instead of an expensive BMW and not getting the vacation.....the perception on their part that they got more stuff for the money they have available to spend........

Luxery item sales in WNY are depressed from normal, and it's logical that a hobbyist can justify $150 for an hour with a provider, and leave another $100 to take the SO out for an evening......keeping things peaceful at home....instead of spending $250 on just the provider....

This is what is happening everywhere, in all types of business. I don't think that SP's are excluded....

So, it's not really that you are doing anything wrong, Gabrielle....it's a sign of the times.

Maybe some of the quality providers SHOULD consider special rates.....and make the pricing match the service levels.......obviously GFE should command a maximum rate, but maybe less money for less than GFE service....

I dunno....that's what I see in my business, anyways......

elg.....
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Ill add one other piece here, most people believe the Sin stocks are "recession proof" but we have hit new times lately, even alcohol sales are down 30% this year. People are less free with there money lately.
  • m2244
  • 10-08-2010, 01:07 PM
gabrielle its not you hunni....i posted my last full sched in roc for this week and didnt get very much at all.....my case might be because of another really pathetic situation..but besides the point.....it cant be you...no worries love
I'm a newbie who has has been meaning to, but has yet to break into the hobby. Why? I have no free time!!!. Every time I think I have some set aside, something comes up. Or, I'm to doggone tired to do anything more than lift a remote for the TV. I'm sure there's more guys like me out there with the same problem...........So it's not you fault ladies.
For me it is certainly a money factor. The lack of me having, not what you are charging. Though the two are certainly related. As others have posted previously, discretionary funds are unfortunately being channeled in to other areas, much less fun than being with one of you beautiful and entertaining ladies, but neccessary none the less.
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not a thing, some times thing are just slow. I call off a seeing a provider on this board I really want to see again for a bill that came up that I needed to pay. Things have snowballed for me and wow its getting close to a year. Much has been posted you may or may not want to think about.

OSD
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  • Doove
  • 10-08-2010, 04:56 PM
I wouldn't worry about it too much Gabrielle. Sometimes a bad week is nothing more than just that, a bad week.

Only if it were to continue another week or two would i think you'd have cause to consider making any changes.

Let me just make a point about offering specials, and i'll say this delicately because i don't wish to scare you away from offering them and thereby piss off my fellow hobbyists. I've noticed recently that you've been pretty generous in the amount of times you've offered a special rate and i have no doubt that your customers are appreciative of that generosity. But keep in mind that consistently doing so could actually have an adverse effect on your business in the weeks where you don't offer a special. If you consistently offer a $200 special rate, it's only natural for customers to wait out the $220 or $250 rate until they can get the $200 rate - especially when they can suspect you may have one in the next week or two. So being a bit more judicious when it comes to your offering of specials may not be a bad thing. There's definitely a balancing act needed there.

To piggyback on what DT said, i would suggest maybe picking a rate - whatever that may be - and sticking with it. Alter it in the form of a special only on rare occasions.

Or maybe get creative and do a little marketing beyond simply looking beautiful and offering great service. To throw a few ideas out there, pay for 3 appointments, and get the 4th at half price. Or after 5 appointments, offer different options on a deal the customers could get on the 6th appointment (just as examples, you could let them choose to either get a free 2nd hour of BCD on the 6th 1 hour appointment, or maybe a 2 hour evening on the town prior to the 1 hour BCD). The possibilities would seem endless on what you could do if you wanted to offer "specials" without really undercutting your normal rate structure.

Good luck. The area needs girls like you to be successful.
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Good Point Doove



Let me just make a point about offering specials, and i'll say this delicately because i don't wish to scare you away from offering them and thereby piss off my fellow hobbyists. I've noticed recently that you've been pretty generous in the amount of times you've offered a special rate and i have no doubt that your customers are appreciative of that generosity. But keep in mind that consistently doing so could actually have an adverse effect on your business in the weeks where you don't offer a special. If you consistently offer a $200 special rate, it's only natural for customers to wait out the $220 or $250 rate until they can get the $200 rate - especially when they can suspect you may have one in the next week or two. So being a bit more judicious when it comes to your offering of specials may not be a bad thing. There's definitely a balancing act needed there.

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Good luck. The area needs girls like you to be successful. Originally Posted by Doove
Never have I seen so many people try to hard to be so tactful in telling someone that they may have priced themselves above the market.
I know right..... Give sledhead credit for being blunt and to the point right off the bat !! I guess some hear things better when it's sugar coated.
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Please send responses to sexygabrielleny@gmail.com Originally Posted by SexyGabrielle
Am I the only one that saw this line?