Military Purge (at least Obama doesn't shoot them like Stalin did)

elk


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What an amazing pile of crap that article is. A few valid points surrounded by a lot of muck.

Just a few comments since that unjournalism isn't worth much:

--Yes, morale is low. Tight budgets and stupid political bickering/gridlock does that. Most DoD folks I know (and that is quite a lot) are not happy with sequestration, not happy with reduced funds to do what they firmly believe they need to do to defend the country. But most of them are also smart enough to realize it is because BOTH parties are using them as a pawn in their ego-driven tantrums.

--What a shock: macho guys relieved of duty are upset and believe THEY did nothing wrong! Wow, I would never believe THAT!!!!

--I keep seeing a definite trend in the article: "We're Manly Men and we want to ignore the reality of changes in society around us!". Some of the issues brought up (reducing PT standards for example) I completely agree are wrong. But many of the others are largely the Good Ole Boy clique wanting to keep the next generation of GOs looking as 99.4% White Male (and preferably Southern & Protestant) as possible.

Let's look at the reality of promotions for centuries: the majority have been the Peter Principle at work. The best tank driver or fighter pilot is assumed to make the best CEO. That is crap in the medical field, and crap in the military. DoD has long been in need of a complete overhaul in how it grooms and selects leaders. Even after the turnover there are far too many O-6s and GOs who refuse to acknowledge the financial realities of DoD acquisition have changed. How many new major systems can we afford to start acquiring per year? Single digits? Yet the Services keep insisting they need dozens (which they probably do in an ideal world) and won't make a decision! Then, when the SecDef, President, or Congress does select one or two, the same Service GOs scream they selected the wrong ones.

The other area the Services are in major need of an attitude change is in their Service centered parochialism. The Joint Staff has been around for decades but the Services remain in a adversarial role about $$$ far too much. I've lost track of how many times I've heard a Service chief essentially say, "We're the (insert any service), we don't work for OSD/JCS/Congress!). The hell you don't! Those who insist on pushing sub-optimal service perspectives that cost more to produce less SHOULD be removed. There DO need to be a lot of marginal GOs moved aside, the key questions are will be do we move the right ones aside and will we move up the right ones. I've seen some signs of hope, but it's too early to tell. The turnover itself is not the problem.

I don't know all the GOs mentioned, but I do know a lot who have been moved aside gently or forcefully. Of the ones I know a couple were "for cause", many were essentially because they probably never should have risen that high and we as a country can't afford meritocracy in those positions, and some I don't know enough to comment on. I know some (including a couple I would count as friends) who are very good PEOPLE, were outstanding soldiers/sailors/airmen, but were NOT great CEOs. In tight, tough times we need different skills at the top than they possess.

On the note of appointees and some senior civilians, I think the article is right. Originally Posted by Old-T

Don't slam the article.

A lot of it has already been reported in other more reputable news sources.

There is a lot of truth in the comments about downgrading physical fitness standards in combat units so that women can be in them. And a lot of truth about family breakups caused by co-ed units. After a six month deployment, even the butch looking women in your unit start to look good.

It is idiotic. The sexes are not physically equal, yet women's advocates think they can bend reality to their agenda. The same thing was tried in NY City in the 1980s when they tried to dumb-down physical standards for firefighters. Instead of being able to do a shoulder carry of a 220 pound dummy, it was proposed that the test be changed to dragging a 170 pound dummy across the floor (and just think about how much fatter we have gotten since the 1980s). Fortunately, intelligence prevailed in that instance

All this is being done to try to prove that anything a man can do, a woman can do. But can that ever be true if you have to make the test easier to enable women to pass it?

And the leading advocates of such nonsense are frequently (mostly?) women who wouldn't be caught dead in a uniform. They are making rules for other people to live by.

And I think your comments about procurement are somewhat off the mark, too. Our primary problem is Congressmen wanting to protect weapon systems that are made in their state. The current fiasco with the F-35 fighter is an prime example of that.

There are a lot of weapons that Pentagon doesn't want that they are forced to take - and in quantities they don't want. Like when they are forced to buy more Abrams tanks than they want. The DoD is a jobs project for many in Congress.

And, you don't need a CEO to run the military. That is the wrong skill set. You need trained warriors. The CEO types can work on budgets and procurement. Let the service academies produce the fighters.

Slam "macho men" all you want. But when a fight starts, you want as many of them as you can find in YOUR military.

You have trouble with comprehension also? Don't think you will find where I have made excuses or defended the administration. You will find I have poked fun and called out some of the dumb things you and your ilk post here. Or should I have said elk? Originally Posted by i'va biggen

BULLSHIT! You were defending the Obama administration purging of some of our top military leaders. You even tried to justify it in two cases where you said there was lax security that got people killed. Show me where you called out the Obama administration for it's lax security that got 4 Americans killed in Benghazi? And why was no one fired for this?

Of course, a blind idiot like you, will not see the obvious hypocrisy here.

BULLSHIT! You were defending the Obama administration purging of some of our top military leaders. You even tried to justify it in two cases where you said there was lax security that got people killed. Show me where you called out the Obama administration for it's lax security that got 4 Americans killed in Benghazi? And why was no one fired for this?

Of course, a blind idiot like you, will not see the obvious hypocrisy here. Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

Did you even read the article before you started fling your diaper droppings? There was nothing about Benghazi there. And as the little guy from Wichita says "Not my job to prove to you it is yours to prove me wrong" Read it and get back.

Did you even read the article before you started fling your diaper droppings? There was nothing about Benghazi there. And as the little guy from Wichita says "Not my job to prove to you it is yours to prove me wrong" Read it and get back. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

You served? How can you be so fucking clueless?

You served? How can you be so fucking clueless? Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

LMFAO speaking of clueless and look who showed up .It is whiffy the bicycle seat sniffer.
Greetings ass wipe. Read the article.

More on the issue of women as soldiers and police officers:

http://www.cafemom.com/articles/in_t...&utm_content=0

One female cop gives a beat down to another female cop having an affair with her husband.

To progressives, all of this human nature and sex drive stuff can be controlled with the proper tools of government.

You know, just the right amount of training and guidelines and all this messy stuff goes away.

And counseling, of course. Don't forget counseling....

LMFAO speaking of clueless and look who showed up .It is whiffy the bicycle seat sniffer.
Greetings ass wipe. Read the article. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

I did read it... I liked the part where you crawl down in portacans and wait for your food...

Did you even read the article before you started fling your diaper droppings? There was nothing about Benghazi there. And as the little guy from Wichita says "Not my job to prove to you it is yours to prove me wrong" Read it and get back. Originally Posted by i'va biggen

You said that there was nothing about Benghazi in the article. Obviously, you didn't read the article. Here is what the article said about Benghazi.

"WND reported that three of the nine firings by Obama this year alone were linked to the controversy surrounding the Sep. 11, 2012, terrorist attack on the CIA special mission in Benghazi, Libya.
In one case, U.S. Army Gen. Carter Ham, who commanded U.S. African Command when the consulate was attacked and four Americans were killed, was highly critical of the decision by the State Department not to send in reinforcements.
Obama has insisted there were no reinforcements available that night.
But Ham contends reinforcements could have been sent in time, and he said he never was given a stand-down order. However, others contend that he was given the order but defied it. He ultimately was relieved of his command and retired.
Now, new information in the Washington Times reveals there were Delta Force personnel in Tripoli at the time of the attack and two members volunteered to be dispatched to Benghazi to assist in protecting the Benghazi compound, contrary to stand-down orders from the State Department.
Another flag officer involved in the Benghazi matter – which remains under congressional investigation – was Rear Adm. Charles Gaouette. He commanded the Carrier Strike Group.
He contends aircraft could have been sent to Libya in time to help the Americans under fire. He later was removed from his post for alleged profanity and making “racially insensitive comments.”
Army Major Gen. Ralph Baker was the commander of the Combined Joint Task Force Horn of Africa at Camp Lemonier in Djibouti, Africa. Baker contended that attack helicopters could have reached the consulate in time on the night of the attack."

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/purge-sur...uIV0oimlhCU.99

Like I said earlier, you are nothing more than a blind idiot!

There were commanders on the ground there who said that there were forces nearby who could have been sent to Benghazi in time on the night of the Benghazi attacks. And these commanders were removed from their commands by the Obama administration, while no one in the Obama administration was fired for the failure to provide adequate security for the consulate in Benghazi, which resulted in the death of 4 Americans.

Read it and STFU!

http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/purge-sur...her-commander/

A record number military commanders in all branches have been retired, dismissed, or frozen in rank under Generalissimo Barry. Many have run afoul of muslim outreach, gay outreach, and female outreach. Too many were relying on religion, the Constitution, and the ideals of the military service to do their jobs.

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Look how Osissyboy has to have a real man hold a umbrella over his stupid pin head...

Yeah, good luck with that.

Inclusiveness is yet another "blather" word, like "diversity" that means whatever nebulous idea the speaker wants it to mean and cannot actually be proven to accomplish anything.

Competence, skill, and training win battles, not inclusiveness. This country will rue the day - if it doesn't already - when it pushed women into combat roles.

But, hey, enjoy this nice multi-culti thread posted by Stan.Dupp:

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=894306

It's all about the anal rape of a man, David Eckert, who made the mistake of appearing to clench his buttocks in front of some "inclusive" officers.

Key quote:
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David Eckert is suing The City of Deming and Deming Police Officers Bobby Orosco, Robert Chavez and Officer Hernandez.

Eckert is also suing Hidalgo County Hidalgo County Deputies David Arredondo, Robert Rodriguez and Patrick Green.
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Isn't it great to have police officers who "look like" America, instead of a bunch of white guys? Originally Posted by ExNYer

You get a few bad apples in every bunch. They will pay the price.

You get a few bad apples in every bunch. They will pay the price. Originally Posted by Bert Jones

William Ward, Four Star General, Demoted For Lavish Spending, Ordered To Repay $82,000




WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has demoted the former head of U.S. Africa Command who was accused of spending thousands of dollars on lavish travel and other unauthorized expenses, the Pentagon said Tuesday.

Panetta stripped Gen. William "Kip" Ward of a star, which means that he will now retire as a three-star lieutenant general. Ward also has been ordered to repay the government $82,000.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2122379.html


In the last couple of years or so, there's been a dozen or so senior officers relieved for "cause"; General Ward was one of them.

Lt. Col. Randy Olson was another:

http://www.minotdailynews.com/page/c...id/576274.html


They needed to go.

I did read it... I liked the part where you crawl down in portacans and wait for your food... Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

You don't read very well.

Nor did you serve our nation. In fact, I'm guessing you ain't done shit for America, whether in uniform or as a civilian.

Other than, of course, denying your kid Mr. Rogers.

You said that there was nothing about Benghazi in the article. Obviously, you didn't read the article. Here is what the article said about Benghazi.

"WND reported that three of the nine firings by Obama this year alone were linked to the controversy surrounding the Sep. 11, 2012, terrorist attack on the CIA special mission in Benghazi, Libya.
In one case, U.S. Army Gen. Carter Ham, who commanded U.S. African Command when the consulate was attacked and four Americans were killed, was highly critical of the decision by the State Department not to send in reinforcements.
Obama has insisted there were no reinforcements available that night.
But Ham contends reinforcements could have been sent in time, and he said he never was given a stand-down order. However, others contend that he was given the order but defied it. He ultimately was relieved of his command and retired.
Now, new information in the Washington Times reveals there were Delta Force personnel in Tripoli at the time of the attack and two members volunteered to be dispatched to Benghazi to assist in protecting the Benghazi compound, contrary to stand-down orders from the State Department.
Another flag officer involved in the Benghazi matter – which remains under congressional investigation – was Rear Adm. Charles Gaouette. He commanded the Carrier Strike Group.
He contends aircraft could have been sent to Libya in time to help the Americans under fire. He later was removed from his post for alleged profanity and making “racially insensitive comments.”
Army Major Gen. Ralph Baker was the commander of the Combined Joint Task Force Horn of Africa at Camp Lemonier in Djibouti, Africa. Baker contended that attack helicopters could have reached the consulate in time on the night of the attack."

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/purge-sur...uIV0oimlhCU.99

Like I said earlier, you are nothing more than a blind idiot!

There were commanders on the ground there who said that there were forces nearby who could have been sent to Benghazi in time on the night of the Benghazi attacks. And these commanders were removed from their commands by the Obama administration, while no one in the Obama administration was fired for the failure to provide adequate security for the consulate in Benghazi, which resulted in the death of 4 Americans.

Read it and STFU! Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

Good you did read it. Now I can add you to the list with JD who supports This type of leadership in the Military.

I did read it... I liked the part where you crawl down in portacans and wait for your food... Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

Hang in there whiffy meals under wheels will be there and feed you lunch.