no testing and no social distancing? masks and gloves required or no?Stop panicking. Get back on topic.
how do you deal with someone who is infected but asymptomatic going back to work and spreading Covid19 to their colleagues? Originally Posted by pxmcc
"how do you deal with someone who is infected but asymptomatic going back to work and spreading Covid19 to their colleagues"how would you know if an asymptomatic employee has co-vid and is infecting others without testing? that's why the back to work plans dont work without testing proving non-carrier status. if we do back to work without testing, the epidemic is going to flare up again.
The same way I would deal with one of my employees with the regular flu. Originally Posted by tbone2u
Tebow, Let me pick this apart.
1st. Is anyone storming state houses this morning? That's what I thought.
2nd. Trumps tweet was nothing more than asking governors to liberate their people from ridiculous, illogical and even unconstitutional restrictions. That idiot/loser Beto took that and ran with it and you're following him.
Why would Trump want those states overthrown? To create a civil war that would ensure he stays in power somehow? You claim he doesn't think things through so how could he have some grand plan like that? Or are you just being obtuse on purpose?
I'm telling you that Dr. Birkes praised the health officials in Florida when she was asked about the reopening of the beaches. Yet she's good with the restrictions that some states have placed on their citizens and wants more testing before reopening. Something is not right about that. I'm not too keen on believing people who speak out of both sides of their mouth regardless of how educated they are...maybe especially because of how educated they are.
There is more and more evidence mounting that this may not be nearly as bad as we thought. That the mortality rate may be less than the flu. Those two studies from Santa Clara and LA counties suggest that it could be somewhere between .01% and .002%. Those studies are backed up by at least two others, one in Sweden. Dr. Fauci and Dr Birkes seem to be willfully ignoring that data. They seemingly want to fight a battle with an army they wish they had(long term peer reviewed clinical studies) instead of the army they do have, HCQ. Case in point is the growing evidence that is far more than anectdotal now about HCQ. OF those 39 patients in the Texas City nursing home with Covid, all were treated with HCQ and a Z-pack. 1 died. Dr. Daniel Wallace the leading RA and Lupus Dr in the country who has been treating patients for 40 years with HCQ says there is "Nil" chance of short term treatment causing any problems. Why does Dr. Fauci insist on rebuking it as a possible treatment? Either he doesn't think the protocol works in face of mounting evidence or he doesn't want it to work. Meaning he's either being neglectful or his ego is getting the better of him and he's making the most of his 15 minutes of fame.
Oh, one other possibility is he is paying attention to the data and knows that the mortality rate isn't as high as once predicted and this may be a much adieu about nothing.
Information coming from Italy is that doctors there were seeing these symptoms of Covid as early as the middle of October. Not knowing what it was or exactly how to treat it many cases manifested into pneumonia which ended up being the diagnosis. What they couldn't figure out was why so much ammonia all of a sudden in a population that is terrified of "the draft" Those people walk around in coats and scarves if the temps drop below 75 degrees. Once Covid was identified they knew what they had but the viral load was extremely high by then. That and an elderly population is the possible reason of why so many deaths there. They are finally starting to see a drop in the number of cases but based on the Santa Clara and LA studies along with the fact that it was going around there in October it may very well be due to building herd immunity rather than any kind of quarantine orders. Evidence is pointing that direction.
You don't want Trump dictating to the states how to lock down their states but you want him rolling out the Goddam military to each state to conduct testing? Is that what you're saying? The military is the only arm that Trump has with the kind of logistical know how to conduct that kind of testing. Who else do you think has that capability? The CDC? NIH? FEMA.I've got news for you. They don't have that many people. I guess you could shut down the airports and use TSA agents but then you'd be using TSA agents.
The next best option is to let the states decide how they want to test and Trump has said ad-nauseum that the Feds will be there to provide whatever support they can provide. He's laid out the plan on how to reopen. That's not sending the States into the rapids without a paddle that's giving them a fucking motor boat and a shit load of gasoline.
And what testing? For Covid. What they need to be testing for, as the studies are now showing, is Covid antibodies. What gets people back to work quicker. Knowing they have it or knowing they already had it? Rapid testing for Covid needs to remain in the Drs offices and hospitals so the HC professionals know what they are dealing with. Testing someone from their car and sending them on their way doesn't do much to get someone back to work. Antibody tests need to be the standard now at pop up locations. Test positive for antibodies, get a certificate and go on about your job and your life. Simple.
How much more prepared were the Feds supposed to be? Have a 90 day supply of PPE for 330 million people along with 330 million ventilators, somewhere in some storage cave in Virgina? Fucking Andrew Cuomo was told in 2015, by an advisory task force, that the state nor NYC(target #1 for terrorist attacks including biological) had enough ventilators for a 1918 type pandemic. Rather than stock up he requested a ventilator rationing plan be devised while he spent 750 million dollars on a solar panel manufacturing plant that is now tits up. Is that Trumps fault?
How much protective gear and ventilators could have been bought with the $850 million of taxpayer dollars that Bill Deblasio's wife can't account for? Trumps fault?
You may feel the need to have the federal gov't be in control of every aspect of your life. That's fine. Give your stimulus check back to them and let them decide how best to spend it on you.
PX, I'm done with you. Spew your nonsense all you want from now on. I've been picking apart your arguments for weeks now. I'm getting bored. If people want to believe your nonsense, that's on them. Originally Posted by boardman
Funny how you "know so much that isn't so"...not going back to work is financially suicide for MILLIONS!!
CNN...NUFF SAID!! Originally Posted by bb1961
article below from an expert in the field. if you read between the lines, the gist is we're fucked. he may be right or he may be wrong, but the possibility that he's right must be considered in public policy planning as a contingency. basically this is right up there with winning World War 2 or sending a man to the moon. it's an all hands on deck affair. it would help if we had a jfk or an fdr at the top instead of a self-absorbed clown leading the effort. "you go to war with a pandemic with the clown you have on top right now, not the statesman you wish you had."Jeez..."If you read between the lines..." Who falls for your BS?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/opini...ion/index.html
it's relevant to the thread because if he's right, going back to business as usual is a suicide mission. have ya'll seen those exponential growth curves? ya that. imagine one of those for texas or houston. yikes. Originally Posted by pxmcc
Funny how you "know so much that isn't so"...not going back to work is financially suicide for MILLIONS!!Let me guess. You get your "facts" from Trump and Fox News. do you actually believe that crap? they're telling their employees, yup this is the real deal, stay home. meanwhile, they're telling their viewers, it's all fake news to make trump look bad. god help anyone who believes the garbage on State TV aka Fox News. cnn isn't fake news; trump and fox news are the fake news. ya'll need to get your head out of your asses. start with frickin reality.
CNN...NUFF SAID!! Originally Posted by bb1961
Jeez..."If you read between the lines..." Who falls for your BS?i'm not worried about them. the government can do whatever the heck it wants. they can levy an assessment on every single household in the greater Houston metroplex if they need to to balance their books. we can bitch about it but there's not one damn thing we could do about it. they can issue bonds to cover the shortfall. they have literally a million ways to generate more revenue if they need to.
My guess is you have no experience in contingency planning. God help "your people" if they are depending on it. You do risk assessments. You plan for multiple scenarios depending what you think may change. You may even budget and prepare for alternative actions.
Stop being skeered and grow a brain.
That's what this thread is about. Houston and Harris County are going to have a huge revenue shortfall. How do we deal with it? Raising property taxes isn't going to do it. Originally Posted by gnadfly
Here's where the revenue will be coming from:you can put me on ignore if you prefer, but i read that one county requires masks but bans n-95 respirators for the general public (reserved for healthcare workers.) like wtf? i did a bunch of messy work on my condo and n-95s are the only kind i use.
$1000 fines will be issued for anyone not wearing a mask in public for the next 30 days.
Unfucking believable. The Fucking state is trying to reopen and the timid, insecure medical translator wants to further erode our rights. Fuck her! Originally Posted by boardman
...You actually believe your own BS.
i want to reopen the economy as much as anyone... Originally Posted by pxmcc
i'm not worried about them. the government can do whatever the heck it wants. they can levy an assessment on every single household in the greater Houston metroplex if they need to to balance their books. we can bitch about it but there's not one damn thing we could do about it. they can issue bonds to cover the shortfall. they have literally a million ways to generate more revenue if they need to.Your reputation is well deserved. "the government can do whatever the heck it wants."
could they raise property taxes? although i would need to look at all the statutes to say for sure, i'd bet a 100 bucks right now that they could. anyone want to take that bet?
my background is in science, health law and policy, IP law and hospitality law. contingency planning? no one has ever paid me for contingency planning services if that's what you're asking. but it's pretty common sense, starting with a bunch of what-ifs. Originally Posted by pxmcc
You actually believe your own BS.my reputation? wtf is that supposed to mean? why don't you address the points i raised? you're super worried about something that isn't your problem. you seriously think the city or county government doesn't have ways to generate additional revenue? that's about the dumbest thing i've ever heard. get off your high horse and worry about shit that is your problem.
Your reputation is well deserved. "the government can do whatever the heck it wants."