RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU THINK INSURANCE PREMIUMS ARE GOING DOWN.........HAHAHA

define average Originally Posted by CJ7

Let's make it easier. Let's define "well below average". The answer is "CBJ7".

Let's make it easier. Let's define "well below average". The answer is "CBJ7". Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

shift the blame, dodge the question


define average

Nice deflection, CBJ7. But it doesn't hide the fact you know nothing of which you are talking about. Obama used the term. Tell us what he meant, or does it come to what the definition of "is" is?

Because it isn't necessarily. "What does it matter?" if individual rates rise if we don't address the existential threat of overall healthcare spending to our country? Basically, the theory is that if a whole lot more people are covered and hospitals, doctors, counties and cities don't have to cover nearly as many uninsured, then overall costs will go down (or at least not increase as fast as GDP and inflation) and we will have better health and not spend as much. This is true for almost every other industrialized nation and the ones that pay the most only spend about half what we spend overall for healthcare.

How come you con-tards cannot seem to get that through your thick skulls and into your tiny brains?

Oh, yeah, the main promise was that passing PPACA would lower the increase of healthcare costs overall and it (not it alone, but in conjunction with other factors including simple focus on healthcare costs) seems to have worked since healthcare costs have increased at a far lower rate the last couple of years than they have in 40 years. I've been in the benefits committees of several companies and we routinely saw 10% to 15% increases every year. Overall healthcare costs have increased between 1% and 2% the last couple of years. The most recent news is that mortality is down in Massachusetts which implemented in Romney Care in 2006 and has a coverage rate somewhere in the high 90%. Lower mortality also means savings.

There has been a recent rise again in the last quarter so rather than trying to "fix" the PPACA which is working we need Republican lawmakers to join with others and "improve" our healthcare laws so that we can address the existential threat of out of control healthcare costs overall.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/19/bu...ease.html?_r=0

At least Obama tried something. The first President in 100 years to actually get a law through. Now it is time for "continuous improvement' to take over so that we can address the overall problem and threat first. Originally Posted by LordBeaverbrook

Perhaps mortality is down in Massachusetts because people born in Massachusetts are "getting the proverbial fuck out of Dodge", LordBieberDick.

"Massachusetts is losing many of its native sons and daughters to other states and is having a harder time attracting transplants than the vast majority of the country.

"Only about 64 percent of those born in Massachusetts still live in the state, according to a report by Northeastern University's Center for Labor Market Studies, which says it has compiled the most comprehensive data so far about the loss of state residents....

"Those who left Massachusetts say they are repelled by the cold, the high price of housing, the taxes ..."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas.../18/at_a_loss/

The promise was that the average family would realize a reduction in premium cost of $2,500 per year. A lie. The plan he was touting in the campaign did not include an individual mandate. A double lie. He did not, at any time in the campaign state that any reduction in costs to a family would be due to a government subsidy. A triple lie.

Why do so many here defend these lies? They are obvious and deliberate. It's astonishing. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

+1 They're friggin' lib-retarded morons like LordBieberDick who admits he knew Odumbo was lying, and yet morons like LordBieberDick voted for Odumbo anyway!

SO FAR this year, I have paid about $6500 MORE than I paid last year, and for about 20% LESS coverage. Yea this is fuckin great. I love paying for people who won't pay for themselves.

I can't wait til ST.C sends my StcHobbyistCare subsidy out! Free hookers for everyone!

SO FAR this year, I have paid about $6500 MORE than I paid last year, and for about 20% LESS coverage. Yea this is fuckin great. I love paying for people who won't pay for themselves.

I can't wait til ST.C sends my StcHobbyistCare subsidy out! Free hookers for everyone! Originally Posted by amishgangster

only because you're sooooo special

New data on health care premium costs released by the Department of Health and Human Services Wednesday has been analyzed and scrutinized by experts across the nation. The data shows that Americans will pay an average of $328 a month for a middle tier health plan, while other anlysis shows that health costs may go up for younger Americans under the Affordable Care Act.

Perhaps mortality is down in Massachusetts because people born in Massachusetts are "getting the proverbial fuck out of Dodge", LordBieberDick.



+1 They're friggin' lib-retarded morons like LordBieberDick who admits he knew Odumbo was lying, and yet morons like LordBieberDick voted for Odumbo anyway!
Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Look who's taking the Lord's name in vain for a change!

At least you're not rudely insulting people, Buttman!

Look who's taking the Lord's name in vain for a change!

At least you're not rudely insulting people, Buttman! Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

him just being here is a rude insult to people

I can't wait til ST.C sends my StcHobbyistCare subsidy out! Free hookers for everyone! Originally Posted by amishgangster

Whose going to complain about that?

Whose going to complain about that? Originally Posted by JCM800

Whirlyturd. IBIdiot. JDIdiot. LLIdiot.

The usual subjects will start bitching before they look at it. ,

him just being here is a rude insult to people Originally Posted by CJ7

You're making quite an ASSumption, CBJ7, since you and the lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM don't qualify as being "people".

Look who's taking the Lord's name in vain for a change!

At least you're not rudely insulting people, Buttman! Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Once again you're just too damn stupid to read LordBieberDicks handle, you lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM.

Whirlyturd. IBIdiot. JDIdiot. LLIdiot.

The usual subjects will start bitching before they look at it. , Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Go screw yourself, you lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM.

Whose going to complain about that? Originally Posted by JCM800

Probably the hookers. I hear they are in it for the money and are tired of laughing at WTF's jokes.

You're making quite an ASSumption, CBJ7, since you and the lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM don't qualify as being "people".


For a change, Johnny Reb is talking about white supremacy.

Once again you're just too damn stupid to read LordBieberDicks handle, you lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM.

Being called stupid b you is an honor. It indicates your inability to address any of my comments. For you to take ANY Lord's name in vain is in direct conflict with the Bill of Rights, er, the Ten Motherfucking Commandments. Those were the original 10, the ones handed down to our founders by Jesus et Valley Forge. And yes, you are an asshole of the highest degree, you feces-encrusted, mouth-breathing, pasty-faced, spotty-backed (heard about both, btw) redneck cracker.

Go screw yourself, you lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Where do YOU usually go to screw yourself! IBIdiot? Home Depot? I wanna go there, Corpy the Beshat Cable Gug!!!!

SO FAR this year, I have paid about $6500 MORE than I paid last year, and for about 20% LESS coverage. Yea this is fuckin great. I love paying for people who won't pay for themselves. Originally Posted by amishgangster

Oh yeah? Well i've paid $10,000 less for 40% more coverage.

And i love liars.

SO FAR this year, I have paid about $6500 MORE than I paid last year, and for about 20% LESS coverage. Yea this is fuckin great. I love paying for people who won't pay for themselves.

I can't wait til ST.C sends my StcHobbyistCare subsidy out! Free hookers for everyone! Originally Posted by amishgangster

Oh yeah? Well i've paid $10,000 less for 40% more coverage.

And i love liars. Originally Posted by Doove

I don't believe either of you, not because I don't believe you as persons, just because I don't believe you can quantify coverage as a percent with any accuracy. Doove is just poking fun, it seems the only way to have paid $10k less in five months would be extreme circumstances. Or maybe you're speaking of a whole business.

I don't care how you slice it, the haves will at some point have a choice: pay for the have-nots to be healthy or let them languish. If you want the latter, I'd prefer it was a clearer decision; fuck this insurance hullaballoo, let the poor folks die in the street. Either you can afford to live or you can't.

I'd prefer the former, but still as a clearer decision: socialize medicine. Free health care. Dismantle all insurance. Insurance makes no one healthy, it merely creates greedy little piglets.