The public knowledge of who voted for what gives the added weight of seeing who voted for what.
For me, I will be more interested in seeing how a member votes who is trusted, reliable, or especially respected than some member that I don't know.
- Redwolf
- 11-01-2010, 10:00 AM
Sometimes the assured privacy of the poll will give someone the comfort to vote who would not vote in a public poll. This is especially good when the choices concern information which many would want to be kept private.
The public knowledge of who voted for what gives the added weight of seeing who voted for what. For me, I will be more interested in seeing how a member votes who is trusted, reliable, or especially respected than some member that I don't know.
The public knowledge of who voted for what gives the added weight of seeing who voted for what.
For me, I will be more interested in seeing how a member votes who is trusted, reliable, or especially respected than some member that I don't know.
- gimme_that
- 11-01-2010, 10:05 AM
I can't think of any good reasons why the person sponsering the poll needs to know how I voted. Originally Posted by WhirlawayI misunderstood you before. My bad.
I made this public so I could get a good estimate as to how ladies and gents in multiple cities felt about it. I figure it would be a good way to motivate response and opinion on what GFE really entails to people.
Same as if I had a poll on what PSE represents, Im sure the idea would vary amoug hobbyist and providers I'm sure. That would probably be harder since its not as general or universally accepted the same way in most regions as GFE has become.
- gimme_that
- 11-01-2010, 10:07 AM
- Nina Rae
- 11-01-2010, 10:26 AM
Yeah, we kinda have discussed this a few times before, but...I'll bite.
I am totally on board for #4. For me, GFE came in when a person who sees a provider expected her to behave like his girlfriend would. Would a girlfriend say "stop" after one pop? No, of course not. Would she refuse kissing (LFK or DFK)? No, she's likely feel that her man was really into her if he wanted to kiss while getting it on. Would she say "No, baby, that's not on the menu" when he man went for DATY? Hell no she wouldn't. She would be thrilled that her man wanted to please her and she'd most certainly want to please him (i.e. returning the favor).
IMHO, short of the initial getting to know you chatter and the envelope, a GFE is one where you simply can't tell the difference between what would happen with your girlfriend and what would happen with a provider. If you checked out my site, read reviews, and then contacted me, you knew or had reason to know that what I provide is a GFE experience based on what others have consistently received. If a lady doesn't provide those things, then that's perfectly fine. To each her own, right?That goes for all. Some men prefer a PSE, which is totally not me. But there's a lid for every pot...etc....etc. However, its difficult to say one provides a GFE when particular items are left out that every provider would be doing with a BF, right?
I am totally on board for #4. For me, GFE came in when a person who sees a provider expected her to behave like his girlfriend would. Would a girlfriend say "stop" after one pop? No, of course not. Would she refuse kissing (LFK or DFK)? No, she's likely feel that her man was really into her if he wanted to kiss while getting it on. Would she say "No, baby, that's not on the menu" when he man went for DATY? Hell no she wouldn't. She would be thrilled that her man wanted to please her and she'd most certainly want to please him (i.e. returning the favor).
IMHO, short of the initial getting to know you chatter and the envelope, a GFE is one where you simply can't tell the difference between what would happen with your girlfriend and what would happen with a provider. If you checked out my site, read reviews, and then contacted me, you knew or had reason to know that what I provide is a GFE experience based on what others have consistently received. If a lady doesn't provide those things, then that's perfectly fine. To each her own, right?That goes for all. Some men prefer a PSE, which is totally not me. But there's a lid for every pot...etc....etc. However, its difficult to say one provides a GFE when particular items are left out that every provider would be doing with a BF, right?
- gimme_that
- 11-01-2010, 10:45 AM
[QUOTE=Nina Rae;715226]Some men prefer a PSE, which is totally not me.[QUOTE]
Even PSE isnt really defined either. But it hard to categorize too. I think most would agree the PSE is more attitude and enthusiam of session over what most might think of a full menu with few limitations besides safe intercourse.
But in order to get a consensus it would be much harder cause you have to focus on the stereotypical elements of porn and all of what it entails. I wasnt touching that with a stick.
But then again if we dont know how or what you percieve PSE to be personally or professionally, we will never understand why you dont offer it past the stigma.
Besides Ive had GFE providers that would give percieved PSE providers a run for thier money physically and mentally. Good thought to consider.
Even PSE isnt really defined either. But it hard to categorize too. I think most would agree the PSE is more attitude and enthusiam of session over what most might think of a full menu with few limitations besides safe intercourse.
But in order to get a consensus it would be much harder cause you have to focus on the stereotypical elements of porn and all of what it entails. I wasnt touching that with a stick.
But then again if we dont know how or what you percieve PSE to be personally or professionally, we will never understand why you dont offer it past the stigma.
Besides Ive had GFE providers that would give percieved PSE providers a run for thier money physically and mentally. Good thought to consider.
- ANONONE
- 11-01-2010, 11:51 AM
I didn't really like any of the options. GFE has a sort of communal definition here, in which case #3 may be best for the purpose of a review board.
If you want my honest opinion my answer would be simply:
"Since I am paying for it, a GFE is whatever I say it is."
Let me explain. I will settle for definition #3 as a general understanding for booking a first meet, but in reality GFE covers my connection with the provider. I will only rebook with her, if I walked away from the session feeling like my girlfriend just seduced and pampered me--indulging my fantasies, for the last hour or hour and a half.
In other words--I vote with my white envelope. If I see you again and again over time, whenever I am in your city or you are in mine--you are my idea of a true GFE.
As to the distinction of a PSE. . .perhaps others may disagree, but you either have to be an actual porn star--I can look up your film on AVN database, or can purchase your video from a adult video store or, you have to act like a porn star during our session and allow me to direct and film you.
If you want my honest opinion my answer would be simply:
"Since I am paying for it, a GFE is whatever I say it is."
Let me explain. I will settle for definition #3 as a general understanding for booking a first meet, but in reality GFE covers my connection with the provider. I will only rebook with her, if I walked away from the session feeling like my girlfriend just seduced and pampered me--indulging my fantasies, for the last hour or hour and a half.
In other words--I vote with my white envelope. If I see you again and again over time, whenever I am in your city or you are in mine--you are my idea of a true GFE.
As to the distinction of a PSE. . .perhaps others may disagree, but you either have to be an actual porn star--I can look up your film on AVN database, or can purchase your video from a adult video store or, you have to act like a porn star during our session and allow me to direct and film you.
- Guest110911
- 11-01-2010, 11:51 AM
- boomer69does
- 11-01-2010, 01:44 PM
When's the last time your girlfriend gave you a covered blowjob?Actually, the question could be when was the last time your girlfriend/SO gave you ANY kind of blowjob? Add to the reasons for hobbying....
Never Originally Posted by burkalini
I think that it is not meant to be just "A GFE experience" but "the IDEAL GFE experience" so what is ideal for me may not be ideal for you (but more than likely it is
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- China Doll
- 11-01-2010, 02:03 PM
Here is my official opinion: There is no right and wrong. I may not like being classified based on the menu items I provide, but I apparently have no choice in the matter. That's fine! You guys can pick from a number of fine ladies to see, and luckily for me, the ones who have a problem with my CBJ's can just go see someone else.
There is a very negative side to this, however. I think (no, I know) that some hobbyists become very angry when a provider is referred to as the "GFE" when one of these menu items is lacking.
I used to be afraid of this site. A good client of mine convinced me to take a look-see in the Upstate NY forum; he was confident that I would be treated well. He wrote an amazing review of me, and I was viciously torn apart by someone who was clearly enraged by the mention of the GFE acronym along with CBJ in the review. Now, differing opinions are what make this board fun, but please, let's not ever let this issue turn into what happened to me in that nasty thread. As long as the ladies are open about what you can expect, the meaning of these definitions needn't be something to upset ourselves about.
But seriously, though....GFE is what I say it is. Got it?
There is a very negative side to this, however. I think (no, I know) that some hobbyists become very angry when a provider is referred to as the "GFE" when one of these menu items is lacking.
I used to be afraid of this site. A good client of mine convinced me to take a look-see in the Upstate NY forum; he was confident that I would be treated well. He wrote an amazing review of me, and I was viciously torn apart by someone who was clearly enraged by the mention of the GFE acronym along with CBJ in the review. Now, differing opinions are what make this board fun, but please, let's not ever let this issue turn into what happened to me in that nasty thread. As long as the ladies are open about what you can expect, the meaning of these definitions needn't be something to upset ourselves about.
But seriously, though....GFE is what I say it is. Got it?
- charlestudor2005
- 11-01-2010, 04:10 PM
But seriously, though....GFE is what I say it is. Got it?CD, I hope this comes across as a respectful question b/c that is what it is meant to be. It is somewhat intrusive, so if you choose not to understand it, I'm sure all on this board will respect your choice. The question is: would you offer BBBJ/Greek to your SO/spouse? What about BBFS?
Again, this post is not meant to offend, and I apologize in advance if it does.
- China Doll
- 11-01-2010, 06:43 PM
Charles, thanks for being so sensitive with your inquiry. I might not mind answering, but first I will need to know why you're asking.
- slackjawyokel
- 11-01-2010, 07:36 PM
*Sigh* So apparently I cannot read and voted option 2 instead of option "I". I promise you all I will not try and inflict myself on the group as a provider. Somehow I think that would not be the best career move for me. :-)
I. Hobbyist: GFE is attitude based, not specifc services. 12 9.84%
2. Provider: GFE is attitude based, not specific services. 8 6.56%
I. Hobbyist: GFE is attitude based, not specifc services. 12 9.84%
2. Provider: GFE is attitude based, not specific services. 8 6.56%
- offshoredrilling
- 11-01-2010, 07:37 PM
"Since I am paying for it, a GFE is whatever I say it is." Originally Posted by ANONONEWell I think I voted for #9. But after I voted, I could no longer see the names
Did the poll change from public to private? As to explain why I voted as I did. The providers I see a lot. I have seen for many years. I am a misfit to many boards. But this board is the best fit for me that is active.
- burkalini
- 11-01-2010, 08:30 PM
Actually, the question could be when was the last time your girlfriend/SO gave you ANY kind of blowjob? Add to the reasons for hobbying....It has been awile for my SO but I did get a bbbj from yours. She needs to use less teeth. lol just kidding. this could go on forever
I think that it is not meant to be just "A GFE experience" but "the IDEAL GFE experience" so what is ideal for me may not be ideal for you (but more than likely it is
- PaganGuy
- 11-01-2010, 08:56 PM
It's an attitude for me.. it starts with friendly conversation.. a welcoming demeanor and a sincere attempt at forging an understanding that dispite the encounter being for all intents and purposes a business transaction, it is between two real human beings who by nature crave acceptance and intimacy on some level, and hopefully want to make each other feel good and happy and confortable as well as sexually pleasured. While all the actities on 'the list' are nice and desirable, I'm not gonna pull out a checklist and demand to speak to the manager and ask for a refund if my services are not rendered in their entirty as written. I do love foreplay, cuddling and kissing and would consider lack thereof a deal breaker so would not knowingly see a provider who just wanted to wrap me up, lie back and count ceiling tiles while I did what I needed to do, though.