Does the intelligent business woman "exploit" a crisis?

That maybe in real state, the hoe game has no structure or rules Originally Posted by BLM69

I’m in Real Estate, you are correct sir.

People don’t set prices, markets do. Originally Posted by TexTushHog

You often (over the years) make this assertion, but while it's true that the market sets prices, it's also true that the market is made up of people. Grace Preston is a person, and she sets her prices as she sees fit. The market doesn't force Dallas Rain to price her services a certain way.

People set prices. People influence the market.

Carnal Indulgence can possibly be categorized as a niche Consumer Discretionary sector of economy. And just like any other sector there are macro and micro factors in play.

From my experience, the hoe market is similar to price line, some pay more $ and others pay less $ for the same flight, bring in all the different airlines into play and you really have options

Convenience is always priced higher, learn the game and you can always win!

You often (over the years) make this assertion, but while it's true that the market sets prices, it's also true that the market is made up of people. Grace Preston is a person, and she sets her prices as she sees fit. The market doesn't force Dallas Rain to price her services a certain way.

People set prices. People influence the market. Originally Posted by Crock

While this is a fair assessment... there are many things that go into what a person will set their rates at.


I personally avoid attaching any emotion to my rate-- I don't subscribe to the "I'm WORTH $$$" philosophy-- as my value is not attached to what someone is willing to pay me to spend some time with me. I set my rates so that I can remain low volume, which makes it a lot easier for me to maintain a good attitude and excellent service. In addition, I tend to stay towards the lower side of "average" for the market-- while bearing in mind that in some markets, if I go too low-- it will actually impact my business negatively (assumptions are made-- and in some markets being below a certain threshold can be a problem). I do tour-- and I try to keep it fair enough to be enticing in a market like Texas-- but just enough to where I don't look like a walking problem in a city like Chicago or NYC.



When TTH mentions the market setting the rates-- what he means is.. if I were no longer able to make money at my rate I have three choices-- I can either raise my rate to see if I can attract a new clientele, I can lower my rate and see if I can increase the volume enough to still cover what needs covered, or I can simply bow out of the hobby. Dallas and I have one thing in common-- we both have a ton of regulars... which is very much a blessing. I don't know what it would be like for me if I were to come into this hobby fresh right now.

Hobby math is like toilet paper math with multiple variables.

I could explain the process, but my dork side would make a chart similar to the "crazy/hot chart" on YouTube.

I can either raise my rate to see if I can attract a new clientele, I can lower my rate and see if I can increase the volume enough to still cover what needs covered, or I can simply bow out of the hobby. Dallas and I have one thing in common-- we both have a ton of regulars... which is very much a blessing. I don't know what it would be like for me if I were to come into this hobby fresh right now. Originally Posted by Grace Preston

I couldn't agree more.

My regulars keep my phone ringing (along with their word of mouth) It gives me the choice to be as busy as I want to be.

I for one have never even thought about raising my rates, simply because OF my regulars. (many of whom are grandfathered at a rate I gave them back before I left in 2014 (because my consistant quality of service, no drama etc) allows me to "not have to advertise daily or increase rates.

Yes, the cost of living will always increase. How you "manage your income " however little or big it may be, determines how happily successful, or not, you will be.

I couldn't agree more.

My regulars keep my phone ringing (along with their word of mouth) It gives me the choice to be as busy as I want to be.

I for one have never even thought about raising my rates, simply because OF my regulars. (many of whom are grandfathered at a rate I gave them back before I left in 2014 (because my consistant quality of service, no drama etc) allows me to "not have to advertise daily or increase rates.

Yes, the cost of living will always increase. How you "manage your income " however little or big it may be, determines how happily successful, or not, you will be. Originally Posted by The Queen Sophie

The Queen Sophie I salute you for keeping the rates steady. Regulars will keep you busy.

While this is a fair assessment... there are many things that go into what a person will set their rates at.


I personally avoid attaching any emotion to my rate-- I don't subscribe to the "I'm WORTH $$$" philosophy-- as my value is not attached to what someone is willing to pay me to spend some time with me. I set my rates so that I can remain low volume, which makes it a lot easier for me to maintain a good attitude and excellent service. In addition, I tend to stay towards the lower side of "average" for the market-- while bearing in mind that in some markets, if I go too low-- it will actually impact my business negatively (assumptions are made-- and in some markets being below a certain threshold can be a problem). I do tour-- and I try to keep it fair enough to be enticing in a market like Texas-- but just enough to where I don't look like a walking problem in a city like Chicago or NYC.



When TTH mentions the market setting the rates-- what he means is.. if I were no longer able to make money at my rate I have three choices-- I can either raise my rate to see if I can attract a new clientele, I can lower my rate and see if I can increase the volume enough to still cover what needs covered, or I can simply bow out of the hobby. Dallas and I have one thing in common-- we both have a ton of regulars... which is very much a blessing. I don't know what it would be like for me if I were to come into this hobby fresh right now. Originally Posted by Grace Preston

I know what he's talking about, and he's spot on when discussing larger economic markets. But hobby rates are much more personal and volatile. Markets are upset all the time by companies that "disrupt" what economists think should be a market price. The hobby is nothing but disruptions. We have ladies who thrive on low rates with high service. We have ladies who thrive on high rates with low service. We have ladies who do this for a living, and we have ladies who, well, do this as a hobby. This market is not one that follows the rules, and it's not a standardized product/service that is easily quantified. Couple that with advertising difficulties and the logistics of delivering the service and we get back to my point: people absolutely decide what the prices in the hobby are. The market doesn't have much say in the matter.

You must have been living under a rock. If all providers raise their rates in their ads, signatures, ect., and new to the hobby girls start at the higher rate, then in this market, a hobbyist who wants to see a provider has no option but to pay the rates or he can sit at home and watch porn for free.

Let's face it, this whole hobby is a risk for all parties involved and to use what is going on in the world as an excuse to raise rates is exploiting the system. Raising rates is not going to deter the risk, in fact, it may have to opposite effect, especially when the provider does her shitty service for twice the price (as I said, the price goes up, the service remains the same if not worse than before), there is even more scrutiny involved. As well as it should be.

It is kinda like saying that if a provider charges more when guys want BBFS, calling it an upgrade, then that must mean that all the guys with STI's are not going to be interested in doing that and the guys that do agree to the upgrade are totally disease free. If you believe that, you are living under a rock!

As far as chemistry goes, in this industry, you are right about the guy having to be respectful, but you did forget about personal hygiene tho, their donation received is more than adequate for a lady to "click" and provide a fantastic time to clients. Seduction skills, making her laugh, ect. should not be required by a guy to have a good time. A provider just seemingly going through the motions and laying there as a guy gets a nut is NOT garnered as a "luxury" as one provider has put it, or even classified as a good time IMO. How does a provider know a guy is fun to be around if she only spends an hour in real time, if that much, with him? She doesn't, especially if it is a first time meeting, and as they say, you never get a second chance to make a first impression.

Using covid, inflation, ect. no matter the current status of the world as an excuse to do so is nothing more than a crutch to raise rates. I cannot go into my boss's office and demand raise because the cost of gas has tripled. After all, doesn't he want me to come in to work each day? Or maybe I need to tighten my own belt or look for PT job to supplement. Call it what you will, but exploiting guys for extra money over and above has ALWAYS been the way of prostitutes since the dawn of time, no matter what the economy is. Originally Posted by Wile E Coyote

Wile, I’m not sure why you think I’m living ‘under a rock’, as I assure you my 7100 sq. foot house suits me just fine. Moreover, you make several assumptions that are simply inaccurate. First, you assume that new providers can just come in and set a price as high as they want and gouge hobbyists. While they are free to do so initially, they likely won’t get many customers—especially for new providers—because that’s not how the market works. Moreover, if women see they can ALL make $1000-1500 hour having sex, don’t you think a lot of college students, housewives and other women would rush into the business if it was that easy? It isn’t, because to a great extent there is elasticity of demand for these services. If the price is raised too high the demand will fall off and ultimately the provider won’t make any (or much) money. Your claim that we have ‘no option but to pay or go home and watch porn is not accurate and relies on the premise that EVERY provider is setting their rate at that same high price point. You should come out from under a rock and learn some basic economics and more about the hobby. Or go pick up a chick at a bar—it isn’t that hard, albeit not a sure thing.

I don’t follow much of your ‘logic’ or analysis as far as risk and rates. During a pandemic there is risk for men and women and if a man catches COVID he may be able to still work at home. A provider may see more clients and thus be at higher risk to catch it, and also be out of work for several weeks (or longer with long COVID) if she catches it, so I would posit that the risk isn’t equal. Moreover, I would bet that overall men are hornier than women (that would explain why we pay for it more) and thus are willing to take risks that women aren’t. It isn’t ‘gouging’ to raise prices when providing a product or service is more risky for the seller—it is BASIC ECONOMICS. Why do you think drug dealers charge more where drugs aren’t legalized (taking out government taxes)??? They are taking the risk of getting arrested, so they charge more for the product.

When you make allegations that providers “exploit” hobbyists by raising prices that is BS. You aren’t forced to use her services and have substitutes you can use (your hand, the fat chick at the bar, AMPs). Your wrongful assumption that EVERY OTHER PROVIDER can and will raise prices to the same or higher amount as this first provider is ludicrous. Just like any other market, there is this thing called COMPETITON, and if one provider raises her rates too high, another will take advantage of this and set her price lower and capture that business. Just look at how catty some providers are with other providers in their ‘niche’—this is something you see in a LOT of professions. You seem bitter with several of your comments—women raising rates and providing her ‘shitty’ service for twice the price. If you analyze that sentence you are complaining that the provider is already providing ‘shitty’ service and presume that they are going to get the same demand if they raise prices and don’t improve that service. Won’t happen.

Your discussion (if we can call it that) regarding BBFS, STIs and ‘upgrades’ is more difficult to follow than Joe Biden speaking extemporaneously, and I’ll just say that if a woman advertises or is known for BBFS that carries high risks and some rewards. A lot of hobbyists definitely want to see such girls because of course it feels better not to use a condom, but the risk is too high for a huge number of guys, so these providers undoubtedly lose some business, as well as take a substantial risk of catching something. That said, I’m not sure what your point was or what you think I ‘believe’ and thus would be living under a rock.

I’ve specifically said that the hobby market isn’t completely efficient for a variety of reasons. One if the lack of full information and that is partly a result of governmental regulation and privacy. Likewise, this isn’t a commodity, as women are different as to looks, body size, personality and performance (including not just ‘enthusiasm’, which you seem obsessed with, but also scope of services). Girls who only provide CBJs will likely make less than those who provide BBBJs with CIM, all other things held constant. That said, there is definitely a correlation between what our society views as ‘attractiveness’ and the price that can be demanded for services, and undoubtedly one for age, how in shape a provider is, how smart a provider is, how personable a provider is and even if she has good TCB and doesn’t make you wait. Granted, some guys like BBWs (I myself like girls with curves but definitely not SSBBWs), my best friend from grad school only likes black girls, some like girls with red, blonde or brunette hair, some like or don’t like tats, so the old acronym WALDT is somewhat accurate, but in general the hotter the provider the more she can charge. Some guys just want to bust a nut (I’ve been there on occasions) so those other factors don’t matter as much in those circumstances.

As far as my limited discussion of what may make a visit more enjoyable I listed a few things (chemistry, attractiveness, fun to be around), but that wasn’t intended as an exclusive list. Moreover, I never said or implied that “seduction skills” (your words) were necessary to have a good time. I said certain things likely will make the provider enjoy her time with you and thus make the overall experience better. If you are nicer to the clerk at a store, your doctor or lawyer, or even the cop who just pulled you over for…allegedly…speeding, you are more likely to have a positive interaction in each case. I keep myself not only very clean vis-à-vis personal hygiene and otherwise, but also work out each day, wear stylish and custom clothing and often bring a good bottle of wine to enjoy. My preference is to have someone you can spend a few minutes getting to know and having a conversation with, as that makes the playtime more fun/intense. I disagree with your statement that a woman can’t figure out if you are ‘fun to be around’ in an hour and think within 15-20 minutes each side can make a pretty good determination on whether the other person is funny, intelligent and a good conversationalist, or on the other hand needy, whiny, demanding and disdainful of the provider, or vice versa.

ECCIE and OH2 are valuable for hobbyists since reviews can provide good information most of the time. Sure, some people lie about the rate they paid or the services they received, but in some of those cases they can be called out through management, replies or the Locker Room. By providing this information—especially if discreet pictures are provided—the market can become more efficient and prices stabilize around where they should be. The problem arises when people are not honest, can’t be honest because there are bizarre rules against saying anything negative against them (more of a problem on OH2), or there isn’t a lot of information to make an informed decision. You imply that all providers have been ‘exploiting guys for extra money over and above’ since the ‘dawn of time’ and that is just wrong. There are providers—and hobbyists—who will exploit the other, but with information comes power and constant exploitation can’t last where a market is marginally efficient. We are at the best time in history for information on the hobby because the internet is forever--just ask Joel from Risky Business—his first pick wasn’t what he really wanted as he didn’t have ASPD, ECCIE, OH2 or other sites to help him.

Asking for more money is not ‘exploiting’ a counterparty and you actually do have the right and ability to ask your boss for more and SHOULD if you are underpaid. If inflation has eaten away 10% of your income as it has last year AND your boss can charge more for your services, then it is entirely reasonable to seek a raise to pass this along to customers. If providers do this and act reasonably (I don’t think condom and rent prices justify doubling of rates), then that isn’t ‘exploitation’. Likewise, if a provider provides outstanding service and is in high demand her raising her rates is not exploitation of any kind and is in fact efficient for her and hobbyists. On the other hand if a provider consistently gives bad service and significantly raises her rates it isn’t exploitation unless some dumbass hobbyists continue to pay it.

Your wrongful assumption that EVERY OTHER PROVIDER can and will raise prices to the same or higher amount as this first provider is ludicrous.. Originally Posted by AndyDufresne

Just had to highlight this. The ladies that I'm generally grouped in with or considered to be "equivalent" to---- the vast majority charge more than me. Many by 100-200 or more. And they do well at their rate. And I do well at mine.



I mean-- I used to share an incall with a provider who had a rate that was literally double mine. And not only were we both busy-- we would even occasionally do doubles. Just because one gent won't pay above $$$ doesn't mean others won't... and its also important to note that many guys that see girls at $200/hr.. also see girls at $600/hr. I see it just about every time I check out P411 OK histories.

So what I've learned is that some guys value pussy more than others

So what I've learned is that some guys value pussy more than others Originally Posted by BLM69

Correct. And some guys want all the bells and whistles while others just want that quick nut. That's the beauty of this-- there is someone for every desire and taste.

i am still the Best Bargain on eccie---

i am still the Best Bargain on eccie--- Originally Posted by Sherry of DFW

Cheapest bargain, not best!