Ron Paul on the Libertarian Ticket

And Trump is NOT a Republican. He'll still get votes from party loyalists, but it may not be enough. Johnson will bleed off a lot of votes Trump would have gotten.

I'm Independent and have voted for both Reps and Dems for 44 years. It's always been about the candidate for me, his accomplishments and future goals that has made my decision. This hang up on Parties and the gridlock/ stalemate it has created is killing us. Originally Posted by Prolongus

I'm glad Trump is not an Establishment Republican. I wouldn't support him if he was. And I think polls are showing that Johnson is taking at least as many votes from Hillary, if not more. Johnson's been actively pursuing Bernie voters, and practically ignoring disaffected Republicans.

The Libertarian Party needs to run Libertarian candidates. It's the only sane alternative to the two party system. But the have to run Libertarians, not socialist "light". Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

The Libertarian Party would do a lot better if it got rid of the open borders insanity.

If you want to protect freedom, you have to prevent entry of people from Islamic countries and any other country with profoundly totalitarian culture.

If you want prosperity, you have to prevent entry of hordes of unskilled laborers who will do nothing by undermine the wage scales of American citizens and add costs to our social services system.

The Libertarian Party would do a lot better if it got rid of the open borders insanity.

Trump said this ...

If you want to protect freedom, you have to prevent entry of people from Islamic countries and any other country with profoundly totalitarian culture.

Trump said this ...

If you want prosperity, you have to prevent entry of hordes of unskilled laborers who will do nothing by undermine the wage scales of American citizens and add costs to our social services system. Originally Posted by Revenant

Trump said this ...



so .... you are on the Trump Train .. YES??? admit it . it's your ONLY OPTION


or you can vote for the hildeWhore. and we KNOW you don't want to do that ....


if you DO vote for the HildeWhore ...... we will KNOW IT. you will be put on " THE LIST"

i think you KNOW what that means ......

Trump said this ...



so .... you are on the Trump Train .. YES??? admit it . it's your ONLY OPTION


or you can vote for the hildeWhore. and we KNOW you don't want to do that ....


if you DO vote for the HildeWhore ...... we will KNOW IT. you will be put on " THE LIST"

i think you KNOW what that means ...... Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

No, I will never vote for Trump.

Or Hillary.

But if I did vote for Hillary, I wouldn't give a rat's ass about any list. People who compile lists can eat my shit.

WELD is a Gun Grabber, Anti Libertarian as it get's!


NO!... His Boss is Stoned...

No, I will never vote for Trump.

Or Hillary.

But if I did vote for Hillary, I wouldn't give a rat's ass about any list. People who compile lists can eat my shit. Originally Posted by Revenant

I won't forget you 1/2 a vote for Hillary or your full vote for the 0zombie King... NOT rel·e·vant

The Libertarian Party would do a lot better if it got rid of the open borders insanity.

If you want to protect freedom, you have to prevent entry of people from Islamic countries and any other country with profoundly totalitarian culture.

If you want prosperity, you have to prevent entry of hordes of unskilled laborers who will do nothing by undermine the wage scales of American citizens and add costs to our social services system. Originally Posted by Revenant

That is true.

Johnson is for immigrants that want to enter the U.S. to obtain work visas, good for two years. Any immigrant that fucks with this is sent back.

You can't stop the flow of immigrants, legal or otherwise in to the US. He is also for levying sanctions on employers who do not comply with this.

ron paul only ran umpteen times to collect contributions to be able to hire his family

Johnson is for immigrants that want to enter the U.S. to obtain work visas, good for two years. Any immigrant that fucks with this is sent back.

You can't stop the flow of immigrants, legal or otherwise in to the US. He is also for levying sanctions on employers who do not comply with this. Originally Posted by Prolongus

Yes you can stop the flow. And the answer is in your own post.

Fine the shit out of any company that employs and illegal alien. Period. Like $1000 per day. See how fast all of the builders stop picking up illegal laborers outside Home Depot for $10 per hour. Then they will have no choice but to hire organized American labor for $30 per hour.

And what makes you think we can't stop legal immigration. We have in the past. We simply restrict the number of green cards we issue.

You can't stop the flow of immigrants, legal or otherwise in to the US. Originally Posted by Prolongus

Yes you can stop the flow. And the answer is in your own post.

Fine the shit out of any company that employs an illegal alien. Period. Like $1000 per day. See how fast all of the builders stop picking up illegal laborers outside Home Depot for $10 per hour. Then they will have no choice but to hire organized American labor for $30 per hour.

And what makes you think we can't stop legal immigration. We have in the past. We simply restrict the number of green cards we issue. Originally Posted by Revenant

+1

Yep. Yep. Yep.

Just because we can't achieve 100% border security doesn't mean we shouldn't try for 98%.

This is the Eisenhower deportation program

Overall, there were 1,078,168 apprehensions made in the first year of Operation Wetback, with 170,000 being rounded up from May to July 1954. In addition, many illegal immigrants fled to Mexico fearing arrest; over half a million from Texas alone.[39] The total number of apprehensions would fall to just 242,608 in 1955, and would continuously decline by year until 1962, when there was a slight rise in apprehended workers.[40] Despite the decline in apprehensions, the total number of Border Patrol agents more than doubled to 1,692 by 1962, and an additional plane was also added to the force. Originally Posted by Operation Wetback from wikipedia

Trumps deportation plan is doable. just double the budget for ICE (Immigration & Customs Enforcement) and deputize 20,000 national guardsman for additional manpower as needed.

besides, the deportation stats on the last 5 years is pretty close to 1 million.

this program was undermined by a lot of people who wanted cheap laborer and it is obvious that the Eisenhower administration failed to secure the border to prevent the underminding of the wetback program.

During the entirety of the Operation, border recruitment of illegal workers by American growers continued due largely to the low cost of illegal labor, and the desire of growers to avoid the bureaucratic obstacles of the Bracero program. The continuation of illegal immigration despite the efforts of Operation Wetback was largely responsible for the failure of the program.

this stuff with the illegal alien children has to stop too.

These infants are, according to the longstanding Administrative interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, American citizens from birth. Congress has never legislated, nor the Supreme Court specifically ruled on whether babies born to visiting foreign nationals are eligible for automatic US Citizenship.

What??? Illegals can't be proscuted for identity theft? That sucks.

Identity theftIdentity theft is sometimes committed by illegal immigrants who use social security numbers belonging to others, in order to obtain fake work documentation.[129] However, the US Supreme Court has ruled that illegal immigrants cannot be prosecuted for identity theft if they use "made-up" social security numbers that they do not know belong to someone else; to be guilty of identity theft with regard to social security numbers, they must know that the social security numbers that they use belong to others.

He doesn't like them, and here's why:

http://libertyviral.com/ron-paul-ins...#axzz4HtNJ5EvU Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You are going to like this video...

You are going to like this video...


Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

Jones is right. Gary Johnson has changed the past few years. He's not a Libertarian.

Jones is right. Gary Johnson has changed the past few years. He's not a Libertarian. Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

he was not the only one who noticed the change in johnson's positions.