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I prefer the intimacy a good GFE entails. I think PSE is overrated. A PSE will screw your brains out but it can still be mechanical. PSE's can seem phony with over the top acting. You can still get your brains screwed out with a GFE. Originally Posted by cowboy8055

I love it ..a man after my own heart ..but see there are some who prefer mechanical like was said before he wants a sex toy ..like a doll that he can do with what he wants..some guys prefer that scenario ..not a personal connection and see thats why Ive always been the soft and sensual type, ..I myself like to take my time and explore each others sensuality and fantasies ..and I love the slow build ..that really melts my butter

To the guy who said if he sees GFE mentioned he runs the other way, why?

That's like people who say, "I'm not a hipster." But truly are hipsters. Labels may not be fun, but if you just take them on a surface level and keep it simple, they serve a big purpose. GFE is meant to describe what can be expected from a lady.

That being said - to me GFE includes BBJJ, kissing, convo, making out, showering together, cuddling and intimacy. The key to this is having a date who is intuitive. If I go to kiss you and you never let your mouth open, I will not force you to French kiss. If I go to give you a BBJJ and you request a condom, I do not say, "no.. GFE is BBJJ." etc... All of the options should be there and depending on what the gent wants, you take it from there. Originally Posted by Alyssa Vegas

What Alyssa said. I agree whole heartedly

To the guy who said if he sees GFE mentioned he runs the other way, why?

That's like people who say, "I'm not a hipster." But truly are hipsters. Labels may not be fun, but if you just take them on a surface level and keep it simple, they serve a big purpose. GFE is meant to describe what can be expected from a lady.

That being said - to me GFE includes BBJJ, kissing, convo, making out, showering together, cuddling and intimacy. The key to this is having a date who is intuitive. If I go to kiss you and you never let your mouth open, I will not force you to French kiss. If I go to give you a BBJJ and you request a condom, I do not say, "no.. GFE is BBJJ." etc... All of the options should be there and depending on what the gent wants, you take it from there. Originally Posted by Alyssa Vegas

i'm pretty much anti-label in all forms, but gfe is just especially stupid.

as has been said many times, it's ill defined, so in the case of a provider ad, why would you try and sell me on something that doesn't exist? it's like putting shiny wheels on a family car and calling it "race inspired". it insults my intelligence.

whether or not i have a gfe with you has nothing to do with a list of activities.

i'm pretty much anti-label in all forms, but gfe is just especially stupid. Originally Posted by john_deere

Same goes for low volume and high class. I also think it's funny when labels are put on the guys. Generous and has discerning taste are a couple that I can think of. Treat me nicely and make sure the envelope has the proper amount, and we'll do just fine.

i'm pretty much anti-label in all forms, but gfe is just especially stupid.

as has been said many times, it's ill defined, so in the case of a provider ad, why would you try and sell me on something that doesn't exist? it's like putting shiny wheels on a family car and calling it "race inspired". it insults my intelligence.

whether or not i have a gfe with you has nothing to do with a list of activities. Originally Posted by john_deere

You do know the "e" stands for experience and not eternity?

Edit: no need for a discussion on this. You are obviously anti label, your words, and I just see a label for what it's worth. A simple description to clarify. It's like purple, there are many shades of purple. So if you're looking for black, you don't bother with purples.. But if you're looking for lavender you should start with purple.

We all start as human and then we are sub categorized. That's how I feel.

You do know the "e" stands for experience and not eternity? Originally Posted by Alyssa Vegas

i'm not even sure what this means or how it's relevant. if you're insinuating that i'm looking for too much out of my "relationships" with escorts, we better start a new thread for THAT conversation.

You are obviously anti label, your words, and I just see a label for what it's worth. A simple description to clarify. It's like purple, there are many shades of purple. So if you're looking for black, you don't bother with purples.. But if you're looking for lavender you should start with purple. Originally Posted by Alyssa Vegas

so if purple is going to have to be narrowed down to lavender anyhow, why not just say lavender? attempting to suck me in with purple, when we both recognize that it's overused and generic seems a waste, don't you think?

that's the same reason reviewers who call every great experience purple have no credibility with me.

I just did a blog entry on this very subject yesterday. Here's the introduction and my sig line has more of my thoughts.

GFE or the Girl Friend Experience means just that to a client – happy fun time and a fantastic roll in the hay with his imaginary, beautiful and fun girlfriend. To a working girl, it means capturing that intimacy – without being too intimate – of that moment for him. To do that, you have to suspend the transactional reality of the encounter and make the time that your client spends with you a bubble of intimacy nonchalantly sprinkled with light hearted social time a whole lot of what he is in his mind Voodoo Pussy. You know it's a transaction; he knows it's a transaction; but your Number One Task is to make him forget that fact. Of course, there's more time, money and work for you to provide this top shelf service, but you, as well as your client, get more out of it. I don't mean just money. I mean you will personally get more enjoyment out of your work if you take the time to care about your client and deliver a tried and true, caring Girl Friend Experience.

To get yours as well as him getting his, you have to be good at your job. That's where the extra work and money comes in. A lot of ladies don't like to spend time corresponding or worse – oh the horror - of chatting with their clients. If you don't like this part of your job, you probably, and I only use probably just to be nice, don't give a shit about your clients and therefore you probably don't care for your job. And if you're one of those ladies that rolls her eyes and suffers through the niceties of the business, maybe this isn't the job for you. Also, if you're the kind of lady that wonders why a no-tel isn't just fine, someone that can't be bothered to take a shower in between clients let along burn some candles and provide refreshments, even if it's just a cold bottled water whether you're in your incall or a hotel, again, maybe this isn't the job for you. Because these small, little things are the things a girlfriend would do for her lover. Nothing need be extravagant. Plain ordinary things that show you care whether client has a good time and his needs are met are perfectly fine. Just be aware that a modicum of caring and concern for their comfort and feelings goes a long way.

Most of the men visiting working girls are married. And most of the time, they really do love their wives or at the very least want their families to stay intact, but the years and the bills take their toll on things. Men and women are very different, but in many ways not so different. The men that come to see GFE girls, particularly GFE girls with an incall, are guys that, at least for that one moment in time, are men that want to be valued for themselves and desired sexually just like women do. There are guys that spend the bulk of their hobby money in spas getting their rocks off, but the couple times a year they break their pattern and spend the extra money for a GFE girl, they want to be appreciated, feel sexy and dare I say, even romanced. I'm not saying they don't want to get their brains fucked out, because they do. What I am saying is they want you to want them sexually and to value them as a man and a person also. In short, they want to go on a date with a sure thing, but they really do want it to be a real date. I'm telling you what the client wants because you can't be a GFE kind of gal if you don't know what the client wants out the Girl Friend Experience.

Here's the link to the rest for those who care to read it: http://www.hookerincorporated.com/?p=705

OliviaHoward - yes, yes! Exactly!

What I am saying is they want you to want them sexually and to value them as a man and a person also. In short, they want to go on a date with a sure thing, but they really do want it to be a real date. Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

NAILED IT! That is the most accurate description of what GFE means to ME that I've read in the year since I joined.

Others may see it differently or want different things, but the quote above pretty much boils it down to the basics.

OliviaHoward - yes, yes! Exactly! Originally Posted by Alyssa Vegas

yes!

my point was, with every girl on the board saying her services are "gfe", what are the odds they understand what olivia just wrote? i'm more inclined to believe they see all the commentary on gfe and figure it's just easy marketing and protection against bad reviews.

i mean, who can deny they provided a quality service when the service itself is undefinable?

call me cyclical. but…. i'm starting to think alyssa vegas might be an exception.

John - do you think by doing that you are part of the problem? By assuming that's what most girls mean? You already said that you would just flat out refuse a lady who uses GFE in her ads and disregard reviewers who claim to have that experience..

I don't see how that makes you any different than a girl who advertised GFE and should really go pound sand.

John - do you think by doing that you are part of the problem? By assuming that's what most girls mean? You already said that you would just flat out refuse a lady who uses GFE in her ads and disregard reviewers who claim to have that experience..

I don't see how that makes you any different than a girl who advertised GFE and should really go pound sand. Originally Posted by Alyssa Vegas

heh.

if you could read the reviews you might understand.

i guess it's just not my style to go in with a list. there are things i hope will happen, but i like to let things develop organically.

but look…here's the bottom line….if the activities list says gfe, or if the ad says escort(gfe)….what have you really told me? that's an ineffective marketing strategy.

let me ask you this…why do you use the term in your ads? why just "escort(gfe)" and no other info?

heh.

if you could read the reviews you might understand.

i guess it's just not my style to go in with a list. there are things i hope will happen, but i like to let things develop organically.

but look…here's the bottom line….if the activities list says gfe, or if the ad says escort(gfe)….what have you really told me? that's an ineffective marketing strategy.

let me ask you this…why do you use the term in your ads? why just "escort(gfe)" and no other info? Originally Posted by john_deere

I actually use plenty of other info. I say GND.. But that's subjective too. I will write things like, the girl you watched football with.. The girl who you saw at the library, etc.
Some ads may sound similar.. I mean, each week you can't be entirely new after a while..

But I do type up each ad new, nothing is a form or copy and paste.

I get what you're saying.. Ladies lie. So do men.

The difference for me is, when a guy says, "I'm reaaaaally generous" I don't not see him. I just ask for a reference and I go in to meeting him with my a game just as I would anyone else. If he ends up being as he said, awesome. Most likely I will buy a new pair of something or other if he decides to revisit. My thank you to his thank you. If he ends up not being as generous as he claims, that's fine too. If I expected more than 300/hr I would ask for it.

I think we should just keep this simple, but with so many people from so many demographics, that's impossible.

i think we both agree that actions mean a lot more than words.

I actually use plenty of other info. I say GND.. But that's subjective too. I will write things like, the girl you watched football with.. The girl who you saw at the library, etc. Originally Posted by Alyssa Vegas

I think these are awesome descriptors in that they tell a story and give prospective clients an actual scenario to place themselves in with you. It's just good marketing. I never called myself GFE, I don't recall anyway having done that, but I did tell stories in my ads.