O-T,
thanks for the topic and the opportunity to note that I am not sure how you winnowed a much longer list of candidates down to a mere duo.
Be that as it may, much as I abhor certain thread topics and thread starters and those who reply, "negative" and disrespectful posts will always be present and presented.
That said, I do appreciate said negativity, because it makes it much easier to "cull" the curs from certain data files I use on a frequent basis.
The word "cur" usually is defined as
an aggressive dog or one that is in poor condition, especially a mongrel. a contemptible man.
To the above I add:
bullies, shamers, scalawags, scamps, harassers, stalkers and other abusers who show lack of respect to others on or off the boards.
ijs