Craziness in my opinion!

I've been mulling over how to phrase this since last night.. so I think I'll just say it and let the chips fall where they may.

Men-- You have the right to see or not see anyone based on what they charge, what they look like, what they require for screening, etc.

Ladies-- You have the right to require whatever rates, info, etc you desire.


But-- you know what needs to stop? Threads like this one. Threads about what a lady charges, what a lady requires, who a lady will and won't see.

I certainly support posting alerts when something untoward happens-- but these types of threads do nothing other than make it look like you're whining about the requirements of a particular provider. There are THOUSANDS of ladies out there. The thing to do when you can't see one of them is move the fuck on-- not post a Coed thread where you complain about it rather than just moving on to the next one. I mean.. fuck... have some pride. Or.. as my grandpa would say... "Man the fuck up"

I've been mulling over how to phrase this since last night.. so I think I'll just say it and let the chips fall where they may.

Men-- You have the right to see or not see anyone based on what they charge, what they look like, what they require for screening, etc.

Ladies-- You have the right to require whatever rates, info, etc you desire.


But-- you know what needs to stop? Threads like this one. Threads about what a lady charges, what a lady requires, who a lady will and won't see. Originally Posted by GracePreston

Exactly. If you do not like what the lady charges or how she runs her business, move on.


As far as requesting job information, it's not difficult to make all that up. 15years of doing apartment rental verifications and HR has taught me this

One can get busines cards for $10 from Vista Print. How many ladies get fake pay stubs to secure a rental or buy a car or have a friend act as a boss?
And I've seen some poorly made websites for businesses. Are ladies that naive to think a guy isn't smart enough to do the same?

I'd rather take my chances in a guy with 2 recent references. But each to their own.

I've been mulling over how to phrase this since last night.. so I think I'll just say it and let the chips fall where they may.

Men-- You have the right to see or not see anyone based on what they charge, what they look like, what they require for screening, etc.

Ladies-- You have the right to require whatever rates, info, etc you desire.


But-- you know what needs to stop? Threads like this one. Threads about what a lady charges, what a lady requires, who a lady will and won't see.

I certainly support posting alerts when something untoward happens-- but these types of threads do nothing other than make it look like you're whining about the requirements of a particular provider. There are THOUSANDS of ladies out there. The thing to do when you can't see one of them is move the fuck on-- not post a Coed thread where you complain about it rather than just moving on to the next one. I mean.. fuck... have some pride. Or.. as my grandpa would say... "Man the fuck up" Originally Posted by GracePreston

I think threads like this serve a very valuable purpose. I think it's good to remind veterans and newbies about some of the safety issues in the hobby. Giving out real world info should not be taken lightly. Not being careful can result in loss of a career, loss of a marriage, legal issues, blackmail, etc.

I really don't mean to be a total douchebag but damn...who the hell are you to tell us what we should or should not discuss on here? Just because you don't like it does not mean it has no value for others.

Post what you want to post, I frankly don't give a fuck. Just be aware that it makes you look like a whiny bitch unless something has actually HAPPENED aside from you not being able to book with a particular provider.

Post what you want to post, I frankly don't give a fuck. Just be aware that it makes you look like a whiny bitch unless something has actually HAPPENED aside from you not being able to book with a particular provider. Originally Posted by GracePreston

If I look like a whiney bitch because I discuss a provider's screening requirements that could be a major safety issue I'll accept that.

I find it almost insane that you feel like something bad has to happen before it's ok to discuss it. And frankly you obviously do give a fuck.

at I discuss a provider's screening requirements that could be a major safety issue .
what about our safety as well ?

I've been mulling over how to phrase this since last night.. so I think I'll just say it and let the chips fall where they may.

Men-- You have the right to see or not see anyone based on what they charge, what they look like, what they require for screening, etc.

Ladies-- You have the right to require whatever rates, info, etc you desire.


But-- you know what needs to stop? Threads like this one. Threads about what a lady charges, what a lady requires, who a lady will and won't see.

I certainly support posting alerts when something untoward happens-- but these types of threads do nothing other than make it look like you're whining about the requirements of a particular provider. There are THOUSANDS of ladies out there. The thing to do when you can't see one of them is move the fuck on-- not post a Coed thread where you complain about it rather than just moving on to the next one. I mean.. fuck... have some pride. Or.. as my grandpa would say... "Man the fuck up" Originally Posted by GracePreston

If I look like a whiney bitch because I discuss a provider's screening requirements that could be a major safety issue I'll accept that.

I find it almost insane that you feel like something bad has to happen before it's ok to discuss it. And frankly you obviously do give a fuck. Originally Posted by L.A.

I'm not calling you a whiny bitch.. I'm calling the OP one. I'm calling people who start threads where they do nothing but bitch about a providers policies... whiny bitch threads. If there is actually a serious conversation that needs to happen-- don't you boys have a "He Man Woman Haters Club"? I'm not saying don't post about it.. I'm just saying how it makes you look. I frankly don't care if I get flamed for it. Flame on.

Y'know.. I get that the environment and culture on these boards is different from the rest of the hobby. But boards like this one are MAYBE 15%-20% of the hobby in total. A lot of the opinions, views, general reactions-- are not the norm. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

I don't "require" real world information from anyone. But, about 55-60% of the people I see give it voluntarily. And another 20-30% give enough information to where I can find it on my own. Very few people are actually that adept at covering up their breadcrumbs. The internet has made that more difficult for everyone.

How many times have I created a problem for someone with that information? 0 Why destroy a business to fuck with one person? Too many years in and too good of a reputation to be willing to do something stupid.

How many times have I been assaulted in the hobby? Once By a man with a ton of references who I had actually seen in the past. Had I had his personal info-- I bet he wouldn't have been so brave. This is why its becoming more the "norm" for ladies to ask for more info. Perhaps not in Dallas-- Dallas is a rare bird in the hobby. But go hobby in the Northeast for a little bit.....

I'm not calling you a whiny bitch.. I'm calling the OP one. I'm calling people who start threads where they do nothing but bitch about a providers policies... whiny bitch threads. If there is actually a serious conversation that needs to happen-- don't you boys have a "He Man Woman Haters Club"? I'm not saying don't post about it.. I'm just saying how it makes you look. I frankly don't care if I get flamed for it. Flame on.

Y'know.. I get that the environment and culture on these boards is different from the rest of the hobby. But boards like this one are MAYBE 15%-20% of the hobby in total. A lot of the opinions, views, general reactions-- are not the norm. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

I don't "require" real world information from anyone. But, about 55-60% of the people I see give it voluntarily. And another 20-30% give enough information to where I can find it on my own. Very few people are actually that adept at covering up their breadcrumbs. The internet has made that more difficult for everyone.

How many times have I created a problem for someone with that information? 0 Why destroy a business to fuck with one person? Too many years in and too good of a reputation to be willing to do something stupid.

How many times have I been assaulted in the hobby? Once By a man with a ton of references who I had actually seen in the past. Had I had his personal info-- I bet he wouldn't have been so brave. This is why its becoming more the "norm" for ladies to ask for more info. Perhaps not in Dallas-- Dallas is a rare bird in the hobby. But go hobby in the Northeast for a little bit..... Originally Posted by GracePreston

First I'm sorry you were ever assaulted in or out of the hobby. That's a whole other topic but it's a deplorable act.

The only thing I can associate with personally is this board, P411, and Dallas. These are the only things I've ever been associated with in the hobby. The OP is pretty new and without real references but while you think he was being a "whiney bitch" for bringing up the topic he didn't name any names or put anyone on blast. I named a name because in all my years of being here that was a first for me and I was in disbelief (call it butthurt if you want)
I'm not sure why you are referring to the men's lounge private area as the "He Man Woman Haters Club" but posting things in there won't get out to the greater population as you have to have premium access. Topics like this belong in co-ed so everybody can see it (in my opinion anyway).
Not all providers are as reputable as you. But then again you saw a client with tons of references that assaulted you so can you trust a reputable escort anymore than you feel like you can trust a reputable client?

Here is a possible scenario. I get screened and provide my real name.
Now the provider has my address
Now the provider has my facebook.
Now the provider knows my wife's name.
Now the provider knows my kid's names.
Now the provider knows my relatives names.
Now the provider knows where I work.
Now the provider knows who some of my co-workers are.
All of this and MUCH more can be obtained by providing my legal name.

How do I give my legal full name to the provider? Thru an ECCIE PM? So now it's on the internet that L.A. real name is XXXX? Do I text it to her? Now my name is associated with a hobby number on a providers phone.
What if I see this provider 5 times then see somebody else and she's bat shit crazy and calls my wife or my job because I didn't see her? What if she gets arrested and has kept my real info associated with my hobby handle?
What if she has a pimp and they want to try to blackmail me?

There are a ton of these scenarios that can play out. Am I paranoid? HELL YES I'M PARANOID and you all damn well should be too if you have anything to lose.

Am I paranoid? HELL YES I'M PARANOID and you all damn well should be too if you have anything to lose. Originally Posted by L.A.

Agreed. And this is why its becoming more common for providers to seek more information.

Its a delicate balance on both sides of the equation. For reputable ladies, the risk is almost always 90% on their side of the table. We are generally at a physical disadvantage. We are at a legal disadvantage. While we may have a business reputation to protect-- you gents do not. A man can choose to go rogue, then change his board info and poof... brand new man. We ladies post pictures, etc. Its much harder for us to hide from fuckery than it is for you. If you were to do some digging on stats, I'm almost willing to bet its a 30/1 ratio of ladies who have been harmed compared to men who have been harmed (leaving pimps out of the equation-- we're talking reputable ladies-- since if you're concerned about safety, surely you are researching who you see).

I do not personally require personal information from those I see unless they are newbies. That is my personal choice-- but I can understand why woman seek more.

Perhaps you see this thread as a "necessary reminder". But really.. it started off with a gent complaining about what a lady requires. Hence.. my "bitch ass thread" declaration. At the core of it all... often times these types of threads are merely complaints that someone can't get what they want, how they want it, and who they want it with. Its so much easier just to move on to someone who will.. than to post about those who won't.

But-- you know what needs to stop? Threads like this one. Threads about what a lady charges, what a lady requires, who a lady will and won't see. Originally Posted by GracePreston

Disagree.

Discussions like this help guide the market. What good does it do to have real names floating around when there are ladies that still don't screen at all? If ladies aren't taking the time to screen properly, then giving real names just hurts the person giving the name and does no good for the one getting the name. It's pointless.

And that's a great reason for having this thread. To illustrate to all the new ladies how stupid this idea is unless they're already screening properly. And even then, it will cost them a significant amount of business. This is good information to know, and ECCIE is all about information, right?

Disagree.

Discussions like this help guide the market. What good does it do to have real names floating around when there are ladies that still don't screen at all? If ladies aren't taking the time to screen properly, then giving real names just hurts the person giving the name and does no good for the one getting the name. It's pointless.

And that's a great reason for having this thread. To illustrate to all the new ladies how stupid this idea is unless they're already screening properly. And even then, it will cost them a significant amount of business. This is good information to know, and ECCIE is all about information, right? Originally Posted by Crock

False. If a lady knows how to properly market and advertise... her decisions and how this board perceives them won't cost them one bit of business. This is the biggest issue I personally have with this sort of thread. New ladies getting pushed into things because they are told "you have to do this or you won't make money". Which.. 9 times out of 10 is patently false on just about every level.

"You have to have your rate at ____ or you won't make money". "You have to be available ______ or you won't make money" "You have to see ______ or you won't make money". "You need to show your face or you won't make money" "You need to allow photos/videos or you won't make money" "You have to allow BBBJ/SS/BBFS or you won't make money". "You have to screen via references and P411 or you won't make money". It goes on and on and on.. and none of it is true.

There are many long term, extremely successful providers who aren't going to see you without your full name, place of business, etc. etc. etc. Now-- I don't require that level of information, but there are many successful ladies who do.

It isn't the message so much as its the air of absolute superiority from others whenever these things pop up. (well.. its partially the message.. man the fuck up if you don't like her policies). Every time there is a thread about screening, about rates, about NBA policies, about locations.... there are people popping up who declare "Well if she does ______ she won't last/make money". It has got to be one of the dumbest things I see on a day to day basis on the boards.

Awwww! I got an anonymous love letter to my email from one of you lovely fellows. You're adorable-- thanks for the laugh!!

Y'know.. I get that the environment and culture on these boards is different from the rest of the hobby. But boards like this one are MAYBE 15%-20% of the hobby in total.

I don't "require" real world information from anyone. But, about 55-60% of the people I see give it voluntarily. And another 20-30% give enough information to where I can find it on my own. Originally Posted by GracePreston

That's some dumb m-fers that give up RW information just to pay for some pussy, if my calculations are correct you have RWI on 80-90% of the guys who see you?

You women forget that RWI is a double edged sword especially if you're at a incall with a paper trail of some sort, the privacy issues don't end when the client leaves

I liked the discrete part of the hobby but these RWI requirements are a joke, I always discourage guys from giving it up but to each their own, I never forget and preach often that this hobby is very dangerous in more ways than one.

I don't keep RWI.. that is just foolish beyond all measure. And.. as I've said, I don't personally require it, either. I would hope that the ladies who DO require it are also keeping their data secure and optimally, not keeping the data beyond the timely need for safety.

The hobby is absolutely dangerous in more ways than one. It really is a shame that there are so many shady people out there. In a perfect world, all of the ladies would be good, trustworthy girls with off the chart IOP and all of the gents would be nice, clean, respectful and safe. Unfortunately-- that isn't the case on either side of the equation.

I've been mulling over how to phrase this since last night.. so I think I'll just say it and let the chips fall where they may.

Men-- You have the right to see or not see anyone based on what they charge, what they look like, what they require for screening, etc.

Ladies-- You have the right to require whatever rates, info, etc you desire.


But-- you know what needs to stop? Threads like this one. Threads about what a lady charges, what a lady requires, who a lady will and won't see.

I certainly support posting alerts when something untoward happens-- but these types of threads do nothing other than make it look like you're whining about the requirements of a particular provider. There are THOUSANDS of ladies out there. The thing to do when you can't see one of them is move the fuck on-- not post a Coed thread where you complain about it rather than just moving on to the next one. I mean.. fuck... have some pride. Or.. as my grandpa would say... "Man the fuck up" Originally Posted by GracePreston

Exactly Grace this is exactly what I was saying in spurman19 some chicks to avoid thread.

I never understood why a guy would complain about a provider rates when it's over 700 providers in Dallas. I also don't get why a guy would have a problem with a lady screening process when the truth of the matter is all the ladies in the hobby has no clue who the hell is showing up when it's a new client. We know exactly who we are going to see with most of their information like how she looks hobby or real name her incall location and some providers use their actual residence so that's a risk if the appointment goes bad.

To the guys that do have a problem with these things well I'm leave this here with you, just let it go man and accept and respect a provider screening process, her rates and her No AA policy if she has one. The sooner you can do that you will be a lot happier in the hobby otherwise just do all the ladies a favor and post a thread saying you are leaving the hobby due to the fact that the rates are to high and the screening process is to difficult. I can assure you that all the other hobbyist like my self that don't have a problem with any of the the ladies rates, screening process and No AA policy would be happy for your departure more for us buddy buddy

I don't even know GracePreston but I do agree with her on the OP whining in this thread about something he has no power to change. He can quit the hobby anytime he like, but let's all remember why the fuck we are here, the men want to fuck, get some head, and then fuck and get some more head lol. Most of the ladies want to make some money, get fuck, give some head, and meet new great guys then make some more Damn money this shit is simple man the hobby is not a Damn daycare center.

Every woman in the hobby has the right to fuck who she wants, charge what she wants, screen how she wants, and take off work when she wants. That is not a hobbyist choice or decision it's a Billion percent hers unless she is managed period. If any guy has a problem with this then Please PM my ass and I have some great titles for your i'm leaving the hobby thread. Lmao!!!