saving academia from itself

The reason most college degreed people earn more is because they are smarter and went into a field that required a college degree. That's "just the average."

Using Michael Dell is a bad example because like Bill Gates he did go to college just didn't graduate. They also entered a newer field that didn't have a lot of "barriers to entry."

Today if you want to learn computer programming you can just watch youtube videos or other computer based learning tools. You don't have to go to the university and pass CALC 301 which you'll never use. I laughed at this woman who said that she was paying $40K a year so her daughter could be a music major at TCU. That was ten years ago. Originally Posted by gnadfly

You are right. Today's world is much different than that of even 20 years ago. I entered the business world as a computer programmer and you definitely needed a college degree to initially enter the field. I have no idea if today that is true. You have to somehow prove your job skills when applying for any job.

I have no problem with paying for a college degree if the degree is required to get the person into their dream job, whether that be in business or music. I took many courses in college that did not help me reach my business goals but were very enlightening and fun. Anthropology was my favorite. Geography. The sciences. College is not just about educating you in a specific field so that you are prepared to enter the job market.

Yup the liberals went after Moore because they didn't like his opinions and lookie what happened ,
They opened this can of worms , now the shits flying LMAO!!!!!

To be honest, I don't really know the income of most of the people I know personally, most of whom are college graduates but many who are not. I have never asked another person "How much money do you make?"

A college degree does NOT necessarily mean you will make more money than a non-college graduate. I know many who have made a lot of money without a college degree. Most of the people I know without a college degree are not that lucky. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

3 of them were because it was brought out during checking.. It came out cause our command had to FIRE our Base Financial Counciler, due to a DUI, and was asking around who had the most dosh/most financial sense etc, to REPLACE HIM. Of the 19 people on the first run list for selection to fill that spot, those 3 were amongst that list..
The other 2 were after a big verbal banter, in our shop from a discussion over whether going to college was worth it, over whether getting your USMAP (US military apprenticeship program) was.. Those 2 who DID get theirs, just like their fathers did, were the higher earners, compared to the 4 guys and 2 gals who had degrees (One a masters, the others bachelors or AA's)..

The reason most college degreed people earn more is because they are smarter and went into a field that required a college degree. That's "just the average." Originally Posted by gnadfly

That depends on what the Degree they are getting is.. All those students going in for gender/racial studies wont be earning millions, compared to those who go into medical school or finances/computers can. BUT I know far more who went into computers, WITHOUT a degree, but who had all the certs from their military time, that htey earned FAR MORE Starting out than those who DID go to college, but have no certs..

I laughed at this woman who said that she was paying $40K a year so her daughter could be a music major at TCU. That was ten years ago. Originally Posted by gnadfly

Just like i do about all those going in for gender studies or sexual disphoria studies etc..

3 of them were because it was brought out during checking.. It came out cause our command had to FIRE our Base Financial Counciler, due to a DUI, and was asking around who had the most dosh/most financial sense etc, to REPLACE HIM. Of the 19 people on the first run list for selection to fill that spot, those 3 were amongst that list..

The other 2 were after a big verbal banter, in our shop from a discussion over whether going to college was worth it, over whether getting your USMAP (US military apprenticeship program) was.. Those 2 who DID get theirs, just like their fathers did, were the higher earners, compared to the 4 guys and 2 gals who had degrees (One a masters, the others bachelors or AA's)..
. Originally Posted by garhkal

I never said you stated anything incorrect in your post. I can point you to several websites that say that college graduates, on average, earn far more than non-college graduates, on average. There will always be exceptions to that rule.

"In its most recent survey, the National Association of Colleges and Employers found that for 10 broad degree categories ranging from engineering to communications, 2016 graduates are projected to have an average salary of $50,556. That's up 5% from 2014, when new grads earned an average of $48,127. "

"The average HS dropout can expect to earn an annual income of $20,241, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. That's a full $10,386 less than the typical high school graduate, and $36,424 less than someone with a bachelor's degree."

"Better yet, college graduates can go on to earn advanced degrees, which return even bigger payoffs. The average holder of a bachelor's degree earns about $51,000 a year, Baum calculates. But those who've gone on to earn MBAs, law degrees, or other professional degrees earn about $100,000 a year."

"Individuals holding a bachelor's degree earn about $2.27 million over their lifetime, according to "U.S. News and World Report." Workers who hold a master's degree earn $2.67 million, while individuals with a doctoral or professional degree earn between $3.25 million and $3.65 million."

"One of the most prominent narratives of the recovery has been that of the barista with a B.A. Government data, news reports and other studies all have shown that college graduates are underemployed, working jobs that are well below their qualifications.

So it might come as a surprise that a new study shows the value of a college degree is greater than it has been in nearly half a century, at least when compared to the prospect of not getting a degree. The Pew Research Center has found that the earnings gap between millennials with bachelor’s degrees and those with just a high school diploma is wider than it was for prior generations"


Source: https://www.usnews.com/news/articles...l-grads-widens

I never said you stated anything incorrect in your post. I can point you to several websites that say that college graduates, on average, earn far more than non-college graduates, on average. There will always be exceptions to that rule. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

And i wasn't saying you were wrong. I was just clarifying an earlier post of mine..

And i wasn't saying you were wrong. I was just clarifying an earlier post of mine.. Originally Posted by garhkal

No problem.

I always laugh at how liberals seem to keep SCREAMING how we need more diversity in education and universities, BUT THEY THEMSELVES do all they can to discriminate and keep OUT diversity in political beliefs amongst teachers.. Originally Posted by garhkal

They want people of diverse backgrounds to bring in different ideas. Of course they must have the same different ideas as their peers.
I had a PhD candidate tell me that it was important for all people to go to college because someone needs to tell you what to think.
(Not "how" to think.)

They want people of diverse backgrounds to bring in different ideas. Of course they must have the same different ideas as their peers. [ Originally Posted by goodman0422

That's my point. You must think like us for what we consider 'diverse'.. If you think differently though, its not diversity..

Have you seen some of those you tube videos of protests where leftists are decrying "FREEDOM of speech as hate speech"??!

That's my point. You must think like us for what we consider 'diverse'.. If you think differently though, its not diversity..

Have you seen some of those you tube videos of protests where leftists are decrying "FREEDOM of speech as hate speech"??! Originally Posted by garhkal

The motherFUCKERS!

https://nypost.com/2017/11/26/the-wr...save-academia/

looks like cutting education is one solution to the imbalance of liberal professors in universities Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

Now this is a brilliant man, which BTW his books "Intellectuals and Society" is an excellent read.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wln6lNTxVpY

Just curious, how many trashing colleges attended one? Originally Posted by bamscram

I suspect there is a lot of "trashing" on here based on ignorance.

Go look in the mirror.

As for "higher education" .... This is Berkeley.


This is Texas A&M ...

https://nypost.com/2017/11/26/the-wr...save-academia/

looks like cutting education is one solution to the imbalance of liberal professors in universities Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

I am a professor but do not label myself liberal or conservative, just someone that fights for what is right, kinda like Batman.

I have attended universities my entire life

Doctor of Political Science
Doctor of Psychology
Masters in Quantum Physics
Masters in Economics
6 year study of Cannabis Cultivation
Black Belt in goju ryu
Appeared in 3 movies and 1 broadway play
Scratch golfer
In my free time I like to scuba dive and deep sea fish
I am a polygamist

I can tell you that defunding higher education is a mistake if we want to keep up with the rest of the world we need to invest more in education. I have been considering the idea of a social re-training center, where social misfits (deplorables) could come to seek guidance and repent. I thought to call it the “Career University Negativity Transfer” or CUNT for short, I thought this was fitting since I began this study on this sight. The point being it is never to late to be educated and there is always hope for you.

I am a professor .... Originally Posted by StandinStraight

I am a professor but do not label myself liberal or conservative, just someone that fights for what is right, kinda like Batman.

I have attended universities my entire life

Doctor of Political Science
Doctor of Psychology
Masters in Quantum Physics
Masters in Economics
6 year study of Cannabis Cultivation
Black Belt in goju ryu
Appeared in 3 movies and 1 broadway play
Scratch golfer
In my free time I like to scuba dive and deep sea fish
I am a polygamist

I can tell you that defunding higher education is a mistake if we want to keep up with the rest of the world we need to invest more in education. I have been considering the idea of a social re-training center, where social misfits (deplorables) could come to seek guidance and repent. I thought to call it the “Career University Negativity Transfer” or CUNT for short, I thought this was fitting since I began this study on this sight. The point being it is never to late to be educated and there is always hope for you. Originally Posted by StandinStraight

First you're insulting Batman, you are NO SUPERHERO sir you are an ideologue, nothing more nothing less.

As Thomas Sowell (a true intelligent gentleman) said in my previous post and was the subtext of his dialogue with Peter Robinson "the vulgar pride of intellectuals". So in laymens terms basically, you intellectuals (I'll take you at your word that you are part of the intelligencia, but in the context of your writings find it hard to believe) don't know what you don't know and are too stupid to admit it.

Interesting addendum:

"The name isderived from the term coined in nineteenth-century Russia to denote an intellectual elite.


The Intelligencia is a name of a fictional supervillain team appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The team is depicted as being made up of the smartest villains in the Marvel Universe.

Intelligencia is a collection of some of the smartest supervillains in the Marvel canon. The core group consists of the Leader, Mad Thinker, Red Ghost, Wizard, and MODOK. Doctor Doom was also a member of this group before he left. Led primarily by a joint partnership of the Leader and MODOK, the group was responsible for the creation of Red Hulk and his subsequent female counterpart Red She-Hulk as well as transforming Rick Jones into A-Bomb and Marlo Jones into the Harpy. MODOK replaced Egghead who was a member of the group before his death.[1] Red Hulk was originally a member of Intelligencia until he was betrayed and devoted his efforts to taking them down".

I am a professor but do not label myself liberal or conservative, just someone that fights for what is right, kinda like Batman.

I have attended universities my entire life

Doctor of Political Science
Doctor of Psychology
Masters in Quantum Physics
Masters in Economics
6 year study of Cannabis Cultivation
Black Belt in goju ryu
Appeared in 3 movies and 1 broadway play
Scratch golfer
In my free time I like to scuba dive and deep sea fish
I am a polygamist

I can tell you that defunding higher education is a mistake if we want to keep up with the rest of the world we need to invest more in education. I have been considering the idea of a social re-training center, where social misfits (deplorables) could come to seek guidance and repent. I thought to call it the “Career University Negativity Transfer” or CUNT for short, I thought this was fitting since I began this study on this sight. The point being it is never to late to be educated and there is always hope for you. Originally Posted by StandinStraight

First you're insulting Batman and the intelligence of people here who might have a different view for their country than you and your so called intelligent idealogues you are NO SUPERHERO sir you are an ideologue, nothing more nothing less.

As Thomas Sowell (a true intelligent gentleman) said in my previous post and was the subtext of his dialogue with Peter Robinson "the vulgar pride of intellectuals". In laymens terms basically, you intellectuals (I'll take you at your word that you are part of the intelligencia, but in the context of your writings find it hard to believe) don't know what you don't know and are too stupid to admit it.

Interesting addendum:

"The name isderived from the term coined in nineteenth-century Russia to denote an intellectual elite.


The Intelligencia is a name of a fictional supervillain team appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. The team is depicted as being made up of the smartest villains in the Marvel Universe.

Intelligencia is a collection of some of the smartest supervillains in the Marvel canon. The core group consists of the Leader, Mad Thinker, Red Ghost, Wizard, and MODOK. Doctor Doom was also a member of this group before he left. Led primarily by a joint partnership of the Leader and MODOK, the group was responsible for the creation of Red Hulk and his subsequent female counterpart Red She-Hulk as well as transforming Rick Jones into A-Bomb and Marlo Jones into the Harpy. MODOK replaced Egghead who was a member of the group before his death.[1] Red Hulk was originally a member of Intelligencia until he was betrayed and devoted his efforts to taking them down".