NIE that led to invasion of Iraq now declassified

Do I see more mindless babble from a bag of hot air? Originally Posted by LexusLover
I see that LLIdiot is still responding to my "not worth the time" posts!

Keep up the good work, LLIdiot!

That just goes to prove that we CAN teach an old, dilapidated, worn out, Idiot dog, new tricks!

YES, WE CAN!
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Saddam and his entire Regime were despicable characters. We forget that every time a conflict arose in the Middle East, he would start lobbing Scud Misslles into Israel. He invaded Kuwait with the full expectation that nobody would rise up against him. The entire a country of Iraq was one big concentration camp, ruled in a manner that only Joseph Stalin would admire.

Was getting rid of him, his two Sons, and the entire Regime worth it? Considering what might now arise, (another Religious Thugocracy), it seems the World in general was better off with Saddam keeping the iron fist of repression firmly against the Islamic Radicals.

Compared to President Obama, I think Bush's legacy will stand up better in future years. But that is not saying much, considering the pitiful job President Obama is doing in not only making us a joke in foreign policy, but by his divisive domestic actions, leaving racial divisions and wounds that have set us back decades in our quest to become a truly homogenous society with one common goal, freedom and opportunity for all. Originally Posted by Jackie S
You ignorant dumb fuck- Was Saddam despicable when he gassed his own people, but the U.S still had ties with him many years after the incident. I guess he wasn't too despicable during the 8 years we funded him during the Iran-Iraq conflict? Was the Shah of Iran a model leader? Didn't we support his regime even though he crack down on anyone who opposed his regime?
Also, there are some reports that are well documented that Kuwait was "slant drilling" hence stealing oil from Iraq. Imagine if Mexico was to slant drill and steal oil from the U.S.

Iraq would have been much better off with Saddam in power than these ISIS guys who have emerged. Saddam was a moderate muslim- women were allowed to drive, become educated, drive, etc. Saddam was opposed to Al-Queada and any of it's influences. Now look what we have created!!!!
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He embellished at best and lied at worst.
Originally Posted by UnderConstruction
For years, long before GWB was ELECTED President, the Democrats constantly told us about Saddams WMDs. I guess when they took the Tryphorgetin it eased all of their memory.


Were these embellishments or lies?


The Truth
There are several quotes.
Most of them come during a time in the Clinton administration when decisions were being made about action against Saddam Hussein and amid concerns about weapons of mass destruction.

We'll take them one at a time.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998-Truth!
This was a quote from President Clinton during a presentation at the Pentagon defending a decision to conduct military strikes against Iraq.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998-Truth!
Bill Clinton went to the Pentagon on this occasion to be briefed by top military officials about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction.
His remarks followed that briefing.

"Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998-Truth!
This is a quote from Albright during an appearance at Ohio State University by Albright, who was Secretary of State for Bill Clinton.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998-Truth!
This was at the same Ohio State University appearance as Madeline Albright.
"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.Constitution and Laws, to take necessary actions, (including, if appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998-Truth!
According to the U.S. Senate website, the text of this letter was signed by several Senators, both Democrat and Republican, including Senator John McCain and Joseph Lieberman.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998-Truth!
The text of this statement by Nancy Pelosi is posted on her congressional website.

"Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999-Truth!
This was from an appearance Albright made in Chicago.
She was addressing the embargo of Iraq that was in effect at the time and criticism that it may have prevented needed medical supplies from getting into the country. Albright said, "There has never been an embargo against food and medicine. It's just that Hussein has just not chosen to spend his money on that. Instead, he has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction, and palaces for his cronies."

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
continue a pace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001Truth!
The only letter with this quote from December 5, 2001 that we could find did not include the participation of Senator Bob Graham, but it was signed nine other senators including Democrat Joe Lieberman.
It urged President Bush to take quicker action against Iraq.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002-Truth!
These were remarks from Senator Levin to a Senate committee on that date.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002-Truth!
This and the quote below was part of prepared remarks for a speech in San Francisco to The Commonwealth Club.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002-Truth!

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002-Truth!
Part of a speech he gave at Johns Hopkins.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998.
We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002-Truth!
On the floor of the Senate during debate over the resolution that would authorize using force against Iraq.
He was urging caution about going to war and commented that even though there was confidence about the weapons in Iraq, there had not been the need to take military action for a number of years and he asked why there would be the need at that point.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002-Truth!
Senator Kerry's comments were made to the Senate as part of the same debate over the resolution to use force against Saddam Hussein.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated
the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002-Truth!
Senator Rockefeller's statements were a part of the debate over using force against Saddam Hussein.

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002-Truth!
Senator Waxman's contribution to the Senate debate over going to war.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002-Truth!
Senator Clinton acknowledged the threat of Saddam Hussein but said she did not feel that using force at that time was a good option.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan.23.2003-Truth!
In a speech to Georgetown University.
Goddamn, you wasted a lot of time cutting and pasting shit I'm not even going to read. This is about bush. Not Clinton
Damn Lama, you can do bettern' dat!

Is LLIdiot postin' from your laptop?
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Goddamn, you wasted a lot of time cutting and pasting shit I'm not even going to read. This is about bush. Not Clinton Originally Posted by UnderConstruction
That's because you're an ignorant asshole.
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Damn Lama, you can do bettern' dat!

Is LLIdiot postin' from your laptop? Originally Posted by bigtex
Was there something you disagreed with?
Was there something you disagreed with? Originally Posted by TheDaliLama
Is that you, LLIdiot?

Shall we start here?

Just follow the link!

http://commondreams.org/views03/0730-06.htm
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  • 03-21-2015, 10:51 AM
You ignorant dumb fuck- Was Saddam despicable when he gassed his own people, but the U.S still had ties with him many years after the incident. I guess he wasn't too despicable during the 8 years we funded him during the Iran-Iraq conflict? Was the Shah of Iran a model leader? Didn't we support his regime even though he crack down on anyone who opposed his regime?
Also, there are some reports that are well documented that Kuwait was "slant drilling" hence stealing oil from Iraq. Imagine if Mexico was to slant drill and steal oil from the U.S.

Iraq would have been much better off with Saddam in power than these ISIS guys who have emerged. Saddam was a moderate muslim- women were allowed to drive, become educated, drive, etc. Saddam was opposed to Al-Queada and any of it's influences. Now look what we have created!!!! Originally Posted by wellendowed1911
Yes and I believe Colin Powell himself warned us "if we break it, we've bought it".
TheDaliLama's Avatar
Is that you, LLIdiot?

Shall we start here?

Just follow the link!

http://commondreams.org/views03/0730-06.htm Originally Posted by bigtex
It's interesting that there's not very many (if any) direct quotes from GWB. Most of it was fabricated or said by other parties.

Do you deny all the quotes made by all the Democrats beating the war drum long before GWB was President or are you going to pretend they never said all those things?

And another thing bt.....after all these years of proclaiming that you never said GWB lied about WMDs can we now put you on record for being liar or the hypocrite you've become???

Perhaps it's the alcohol? It is the weekend..

Webb/Hagel 2016?
LexusLover's Avatar
Perhaps it's the alcohol? It is the weekend..

Webb/Hagel 2016? Originally Posted by TheDaliLama
Many, many weekends.

I even considered starting to drink so I could kill enough brain cells to communicate with him, but I figured I had too much "catching up' to do and it would simply poison my system trying.
That's because you're an ignorant asshole. Originally Posted by TheDaliLama
No. I've already seen all those. This isn't my first time around the block. Clinton was also wrong. It's that what you want?
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No. I've already seen all those. This isn't my first time around the block. Clinton was also wrong. It's that what you want? Originally Posted by UnderConstruction
Oh I see now....Clinton was "wrong" but Bush is a "liar"

And yes Underpants you are very ignorant. It's also very oblivious when you cut and paste the remarks you try to pass off as your own. They always lack the verbal vomit you usually spew.

But ignorance is not a bad thing and very curable so I am still holding out hope for you.

You're on your own with the Asshole thing.
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Oh I see now....Clinton was "wrong" but Bush is a "liar".... Originally Posted by TheDaliLama
.. even though as between those two Clinton is the only one with a judicial finding that he's a liar ... aka ... perjuror ... and so affirmed by an administrative agency ....

"Funny" how that works ... they both were acting on the same "intelligence" gathering agency and the same U.N. resolutions with the same Congressional approvals.