Sugar Babies

As for where I choose to look for a SB, trust this, it won't be on this site. There is a careful balance of financial need, sexual desire, and ignorance of the world that most ladies on this site would easily tip the scales on one of those 3 SB requirements. Originally Posted by AllThisMeat

That is the part that makes you a predator. Thank you for outing yourself.

I understand what ATM means, even if he said it in a way that's drawn the ire of some. Not ALL of these girls are gold diggers, but quite frankly, many are. I would say your other relationship seemed to be ideal. My experience is that it's fun for a while, but few are built to last. Sooner or later favors become expectations.

Far too many of these girls have delusional ideas of what's involved. There certainly are some that are quite reasonable, but you have to work to find them. I've had a girl say she wanted $2000-3000/month, me to take her to dinners and shopping but she wasn't willing to have sex at first because "she wasn't a prostitute". When I asked point blank, "What do I get for that kind of money" and the reply was "You get to spend time with ME!" and said it as if I were the dumbest man alive for even asking....

Another wanted $5000/month so she could get an apartment and a car. This would allow her to live as she "deserved", as she had worked "very hard in her life and was ready to be taken care of"...oh, and she was 22! Then she had several rules. She would only see me at the apartment I was going to supposedly pay no more than 7 times in a month, but preferably only a couple of weekends. If she traveled to me, I had to pay all expenses for her and her dog!

Needless to say that neither of these were interesting to me. But, the one thing SG does point out is her awareness of giving value for the service provided. It is, at it's core, a business arrangement. Many guys here have setups with girls here where they see them every week or every other week for a special rate. It's not too dissimilar to that, although it may also include time like dinners and shopping. Or rather than giving money directly, you might pay the bill directly, etc. In ANY arrangement, as long as both parties are clear and in agreement to the terms, it's a good deal. The problems arise when either the expectations are not clearly outlined or when the expectations begin to shift from one way or the other without any recompense. It's my experience that is usually what happens and it reaches a point where it's no longer working and it's time to move on. Sometimes I make the call, sometimes they do. Most of the time, if you're mature adults, both do.

These type of successfull relationships vary so much. I've had exclusive SB's as well
as been one of a couple guys who independently had an arrangement with same gal.

Honestly, alot depends on how experienced the gal in terms of SB relationships. I enjoyed knowing one lady, who had never experienced either the hobby or SB. In this case rather than a fix $$ rate, our arrangement was based upon having certain bills paid for...all of which were not in my name directly but I typicially paid thru cashier checks.

Examples....when we initial met she was living w/ parents, did not have bad credit just no credit. So my first suggestion was how would she like to have a place of her own...which she jumped at. I gave her a budgeted amount $850/mth, she found the place she loved, lease in her name I got cashier check for 1st and last month rent made payable to apartment complex. Every month thereafter, 1st of mth rent was taken care of. So in this case, I was seen as not only someone who helped her out
with her appt, but was the guy who helped her make the move into her own place.

I then use this basic game plan to help her with things like mthly cell phone, car payment, athletic club dues etc. Never was anything in my name, I always gave her a monthly amt I would cut a cashier check for the above mention items. If she wanted to spend more than that...no problem, she knew what I was in for.

We also travel a fair amount...it was typically to places she had not been b4, and was travelling at a first class level. I did not pay her for those times, but she always had a nice $$ amt each trip to spend as she wanted...plus we both had a blast travelling.

Key here for me, was I never gave her $$ directly, except for travel, so that Pay for Play mind set never set in. With the exception of the apartment rent, I never paid the full amount of the any monthly bill. To me this foster a "team effort" , partially to help her understand the concept of paying for her own bills, encouraging her also to build savings, and quite frankly was a solid financial game plan for me as well.

I have more to add....but got to go. Perhaps my next post could be on SB where it was strictly a $$ allowance

That sounds lovely.

I wonder if a provider has ever tried to do a public offering and sell shares?

Depends on the dividend I suppose?

I really wanted to make a The Producers joke but I was concerned about unfamiliarity.


So for those of you who have seen the movie............Springtime for Hitler anyone?


For those of you have not, I'm not actually talking about Hitler.

seekingarrangement.com has a lot more profiles.

"Hitler... there was a painter! He could paint an entire apartment in ONE afternoon! TWO coats!"

Great movie . .

Kisses,

- Jackie

I always find it interesting when someone's limited experiences don't match up to another person's experiences (both in and out of the hobby) that they foolishly hold or judge everyone else journey in life to their sad. and at times rather pathetic limitations.

Always worth a good laugh to me, lol

I love that movie! "Tidy Oop!"

Just as an experiment I made a profile on that Sugar Sugar site. I listed my net worth as 100-500 million. Wow, did that ever get the sugar babies all scurrying. lol

My only problem with those sites is you never know how many shills there are, just to get you to buy tokens to communicate...

That is the part that makes you a predator. Thank you for outing yourself. Originally Posted by SillyGirl

Or it could make him someone who is looking to find someone he can share new things with. If a person has seen it all & done it all, few things excite them. But to those who are igoant to what wonders the world holds, everyday is an adventure.

Then again, you have always been able to find the black lining of every silver cloud.

Then again, you have always been able to find the black lining of every silver cloud. Originally Posted by FireSerpent

LOL!

However, back to topic, what happens when your SugarBabies have MilkDuds? Are they chewier?

I'd love a great NEW thread on the subject, especially in light of the recent WSJ article on the matter and two state Attorney Generals stating that the relationship is so intertwined within the boundaries of common law arrangements (if both parties are single) that although they have a difficult time prosecuting the arrangement as prostitution, their offices are ATTEMPTING to award settlements to the females as though it was a common law dissolution when the arrangement ends . . . Of course this is posturing (for the media . . and) to simply to dissuade the practice of SD/ SB relationships within their jurisdiction as a whole, but damn, if they actually pull that off, it may END the practice for a lot of gentlemen.

Food for thought.

Kisses,

- Jackie Originally Posted by Jackie Devlin

No need to worry about this in Kansas, although common law relationships are recognized (one of the few places they are) but are way easy to get out of, and not really court supported. I didnt know NE recognized that sort of thing. You won't get stuck with a settlement when she jets... (if you gave her a ring, you might be able to get it back as well... lol)

Anyway, the few folks I've known who engaged in that sort of arrangement aren't tooo far off the above advice, which I'd "rec", but hit Like instead. Anyway, unless you're Charlie Sheen or have access to that sort of cash box, the rising expecations of the relationship generally lead to deterioration... emotions become involved... boom.

Also, it seems like when it doesn't go that way, it just becomes an extended provider/client relationship with a regular bank withdraw, much like you'd set up an auto payment for your car insurance etc... with some extra gifts thrown in when you wanna play spoiler.

As will all things involving money... caveat emptor or YMMV


In some cases a real GF might just be easier! Try your local college campus and drive something nice... lol.

Or it could make him someone who is looking to find someone he can share new things with. If a person has seen it all & done it all, few things excite them. But to those who are igoant to what wonders the world holds, everyday is an adventure.

Then again, you have always been able to find the black lining of every silver cloud. Originally Posted by FireSerpent

Don't be ridiculous. This man is obviously trying to get away with as much as he can for as little as he can. And so he admits to seeking out ignorant women who don't know any better. This is how people end up as slaves/pimps. That you consider his advice to find a dumb girl and manipulate her is a silver lining seriousy disturbs me. That you can support such an utter lack of respect for women is gross.

He is misogynistic and bitter and it come across quite clearly. If you don't see that perhaps you should examine how you view women.