The govt, capitalism, 1st & 2nd amendments, control of people

Welp, you ain't talked with moi about it. Try applying the group of Patriots you mention with Cloward-Piven (sp?). That is where it is effective, not against tanks. Are US soldiers really gonna smoosh Americans? There is a finite number of corrupt politicians, far more than we need and that is where our problem lay. 1st order of business is term limits. Their choice how they wish them implemented. Our choice to ensure they are term limited regardless. Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Americans vs americans is not a new thing, about 600,000 died back in the 1860's so US soldiers smooshing a dozen right wing extremists who choose to leave their jobs, let their bills lapse and leave their families to start some short lived revolution isn't any big feat. Especially if they get branded with the right wing lunatic domestic terrorist label and the guys who are going to do the smooshing feel like it's their patriotic duty to smoosh terrorists. In that case I'm betting on the tanks.

Yeah, there are a number of corrupt politicians and as long as there is a lack of transparency, accountability and responsibility there will always be a place to hide for the corrupt leaders.

As far as term limits go, I have no problem with great, effective leaders staying in power. If they're corrupt they shouldn't be in there in the first place. I've got a mechanic who has done my car repairs for 30 years, he's honest and will tell you straight out what needs to be fixed and what he'd do with it. I firmly trust he's not going to tell me i need another transmission when the muffler burns out. I never put a term limit on his work because he has always been honest and effective.

Along with transparency, accountability and responsibility there needs to be firm laws in place dictating the use of tax money generated, how and where our military is deployed, and other regulations that curb waste and needless spending. Start with that and it won't matter near as much who gets elected or how long their term limit is because they won't be able to hide their scams and they won't be able to blow our taxes on nation building and providing the whole world with military protection while we continue to build on a 20-some trillion dollar national debt.

FWIW: SK sounds like a Marxist to me. A pity what we let our edumacation system churn out over the last decade or two. Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Marxist, no....I was just painting a picture using corporate america, human nature and motivations coupled with peoples day to day lives to point out how whacked out all these conspiracy theories are over gun control and government takeover that usually come out of some right wing meeting of the minds. It wasn't meant to be a debate over corporate structure and how hard some CEO works.

It's like the old guys that sit around a cafe for an hour or two in the morning and claim that "Hillary is out to get our guns and would have if she'd been elected". The guy saying it usually has his first two fingers pointed in the air in some wisdom sermon and there's one or two guys nodding their head in agreement. They forget about the Clintons filing taxes on 27 million dollars and that's 27 million reasons the Clintons don't give a fuck how many guns are owned by a table full of coffee drinkers. So what if they own 200 guns apiece, if their social security checks bounce they'll be sitting at home drinking water wondering when the electricity will get cut off.

I'd like to hear from some of the conspiracy junkies about all the grand conspiracies like "one world government" and "agenda whatever" and "they're going to take all our guns" and how these grand events are even needed let alone how the big boogeyman with lack of motive is going to get it done.

Clearly the world has ended if I'm in lock step agreement with you on something. I must be in Purgatory or something...

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

No the world has not ended. Yes you are in purgatory. But you are not going to heaven or hell, at least right now. You are being sent back onto the earth to find converts for The Free Market Church of Tiny. It will be like good cop/bad cop. You will deliver the fire and brimstone message, and I will deliver the love and redemption message. And pocket most of the donations of course.

Americans vs americans is not a new thing, about 600,000 died back in the 1860's so US soldiers smooshing a dozen right wing extremists who choose to leave their jobs, let their bills lapse and leave their families to start some short lived revolution isn't any big feat. Especially if they get branded with the right wing lunatic domestic terrorist label and the guys who are going to do the smooshing feel like it's their patriotic duty to smoosh terrorists. In that case I'm betting on the tanks.

Yeah, there are a number of corrupt politicians and as long as there is a lack of transparency, accountability and responsibility there will always be a place to hide for the corrupt leaders.

As far as term limits go, I have no problem with great, effective leaders staying in power. If they're corrupt they shouldn't be in there in the first place. I've got a mechanic who has done my car repairs for 30 years, he's honest and will tell you straight out what needs to be fixed and what he'd do with it. I firmly trust he's not going to tell me i need another transmission when the muffler burns out. I never put a term limit on his work because he has always been honest and effective.

Along with transparency, accountability and responsibility there needs to be firm laws in place dictating the use of tax money generated, how and where our military is deployed, and other regulations that curb waste and needless spending. Start with that and it won't matter near as much who gets elected or how long their term limit is because they won't be able to hide their scams and they won't be able to blow our taxes on nation building and providing the whole world with military protection while we continue to build on a 20-some trillion dollar national debt. Originally Posted by sexykarma

the politicians that have been there a long time have figured out how to play the "game".


many politicians start out poor or with some money in the bank, when the leave or retire, they're millionaires.


how does that happen? networking is what happens they get access to info the public doesn't usually get until later.


access to alot of money is corrupting which leads to corrut power.



good reason to have term limits.

socialism in any form only works with the people controlled

'Money" = Power
Power corrupts
Absolute power corrupts absolutely



That is aim of the DPST party - absolute control.

...As far as term limits go, I have no problem with great, effective leaders staying in power. If they're corrupt they shouldn't be in there in the first place. I've got a mechanic who has done my car repairs for 30 years, he's honest and will tell you straight out what needs to be fixed and what he'd do with it. I firmly trust he's not going to tell me i need another transmission when the muffler burns out. I never put a term limit on his work because he has always been honest and effective.... Originally Posted by sexykarma

Gheeze! You even gave the right example, without even understanding it above.
Let's use the "mechanic" as the outstanding example it is, but let's envision them in other modalities.

The Mechanic:

• Capitalist
  • You can fire them at anytime, aka immediately
  • If their rates climb or quality declines
  • A competitor can set up shop across the street
  • Ever notice what happens to gas prices from 2 corner stores across the street from each other?
  • Plus, with social media; you can provide your unbiased opinion and review of them for all to see
• Communist
  • If you are lucky, very lucky, you get one assigned to you
  • You cannot change your 'appointed' mechanic
  • They may charge you the going 'assigned' rate, but they will tell you what they will fix
  • You can spend forever trying to complain to the Politburo to no avail
  • A Black market emerges, thus increasing your cost of using a "good" mechanic via cash payments or barter exchange
  • Likely done under cover of darkness with an additional cash payment to the local Politburo official
  • Would you think it wise to post on social media if the service or quality sucked, where the Politburo could see it and include a few demerits in your social credit score Comrade?
• Democratic
  • Mechanics are voted for by simple majority
  • You get them assigned to you for 2 years or 6 years or 30+ years
    • The 2 year assignments cover a smaller geographic foot print
    • The 6 year assignments cover the whole state
    • The 30+ year assignments could be either
  • You can have them removed, but only if a simple majority agree based upon their length of term
  • Or you are willing to go further to another mechanic, thus increasing your expenses
  • As has been known to happen, a law could be passed banning the practice of patronizing another precinct, thus meaning you would have to go to another state
  • You can use social media, which may be effective for your precinct, but only after 2 years, assuming it s not a State level mechanic
  • How does being stuck with a crumby mechanic for 30+ years sound about now?

In a nutshell.

N...You will deliver the fire and brimstone message, and I will deliver the love and redemption message. And pocket most of the donations of course. Originally Posted by Tiny

Are not the 2 methods identical, just using a different radio frequency to reach the same destinations? But I do agree, we each divvy up the loot as a handling fee and to cover expenses, seeing whereas we would each be tax exempt.

Capitalism in action - Gentlemen!
WYID - an interesting comparison above of Capitalism v DPST - these days - the Democrats represent pretty much the communist system under their marxist violent terrorists.

If'n the worldly powers-that-be are so safe and snug in their white castles with spires and are not concerned with an armed citizenry **cough, cough** peons - then we're all good. Guns are fine and there is nothing to worry about. Regardless, it is our expressed RIGHT to have them in the USA. Recall, the 1st Amendment is the first choice for redress and the 2nd Amendment is the backup plan.

Though, after reflecting and reading history, I've come to understand that Kings & Queens, Emperors, Communists, Tyrants and Dictators of all shapes and sizes all go to extraordinary lengths to ensure the peons are unarmed.

There are exactly two types of citizens if their social security checks bounce

• The You type: they'll be sitting at home drinking water wondering when the electricity will get cut off.
• The Me type: Mad as hell and not going to take to being lied to for 40+ years only to be kicked to the curb, after having paid in to it, involuntarily the whole time, lying down

I think these types were explained succinctly by an old white guy a while back thusly:

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms.”

“Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.

Samuel Adams


BTW: if you get to wondering if size maters or what it might actually take to achieve lofty goals and what sort of commitment may be required, may I recommend a movie to watch? The Alamo

Marxist, no....I was just painting a picture using corporate america, human nature and motivations coupled with peoples day to day lives to point out how whacked out all these conspiracy theories are over gun control and government takeover that usually come out of some right wing meeting of the minds. It wasn't meant to be a debate over corporate structure and how hard some CEO works.

It's like the old guys that sit around a cafe for an hour or two in the morning and claim that "Hillary is out to get our guns and would have if she'd been elected". The guy saying it usually has his first two fingers pointed in the air in some wisdom sermon and there's one or two guys nodding their head in agreement. They forget about the Clintons filing taxes on 27 million dollars and that's 27 million reasons the Clintons don't give a fuck how many guns are owned by a table full of coffee drinkers. So what if they own 200 guns apiece, if their social security checks bounce they'll be sitting at home drinking water wondering when the electricity will get cut off.

I'd like to hear from some of the conspiracy junkies about all the grand conspiracies like "one world government" and "agenda whatever" and "they're going to take all our guns" and how these grand events are even needed let alone how the big boogeyman with lack of motive is going to get it done. Originally Posted by sexykarma

the politicians that have been there a long time have figured out how to play the "game".


many politicians start out poor or with some money in the bank, when the leave or retire, they're millionaires.


how does that happen? networking is what happens they get access to info the public doesn't usually get until later.


access to alot of money is corrupting which leads to corrut power.



good reason to have term limits. Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

It won't ever happen but in my example if there was transparency, accountability, and responsibility placed on our leadership along with strict rules over spending and decision making then there is no real need for term limits.

Yeah, they network but if you tie their hands then they effectively hindered in the corruption game....that's why Trump wasn't going to actually "drain the swamp", because he had to work with the same dudes on his own scams and money making deals....cops don't rat other cops out in a code of silence and this pretty assuredly has to apply to politicians also.

That's why I have to laugh every 4 years when all the political stuff starts all over again and people talk about this candidate or that one and what they're gonna do and blah, blah, blah.......until the items in my first paragraph get installed then it's simply going to be more of the same, with middle of the road average politicians playing the "game" and more political gridlock between the two parties, and more of the same "kick the can down the road mentality".

So nothing will ever change without radical controls in place, and don't think that any of them are actually going to come forward with strong legislation to kill the golden goose they have....whoever even talks about it will simply get shunned, nobody's gonna work with the guy and that's the guy who's found on the sidewalk dead and there's an open window 14 stories above him. Ruled a suicide.

That's why the only time I ever voted was for Trump, last time, and correctly figured he wouldn't get any of his grand plans done....I was willing to give a shrewd businessman a chance.....It's not going to get done with the average Joe politician that plays "the game". And as you said, there's too much money in politics.

No reason to vote because it's the same shit year after year. It stays the same until there is radical political reform established.

..cops don't rat other cops out in a code of silence and this pretty assuredly has to apply to politicians also.


disagree - the overweening hatred of the DPST party for Trump precludes any cooperation - they have shown this many times.

Trump comments about OHCQ - the Democrats and LSM go ballistic that he is demanding people inject that or bleach for Wuhan virus treatment.



Trump states that the Sun produces energy for Earth - the Democrat leadership politicos will disgree.

Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, nadler et all - have made their hatred more than clear.

Gheeze! You even gave the right example, without even understanding it above.
Let's use the "mechanic" as the outstanding example it is, but let's envision them in other modalities.

The Mechanic:

• Capitalist
  • You can fire them at anytime, aka immediately
  • If their rates climb or quality declines
  • A competitor can set up shop across the street
  • Ever notice what happens to gas prices from 2 corner stores across the street from each other?
  • Plus, with social media; you can provide your unbiased opinion and review of them for all to see
• Communist
  • If you are lucky, very lucky, you get one assigned to you
  • You cannot change your 'appointed' mechanic
  • They may charge you the going 'assigned' rate, but they will tell you what they will fix
  • You can spend forever trying to complain to the Politburo to no avail
  • A Black market emerges, thus increasing your cost of using a "good" mechanic via cash payments or barter exchange
  • Likely done under cover of darkness with an additional cash payment to the local Politburo official
  • Would you think it wise to post on social media if the service or quality sucked, where the Politburo could see it and include a few demerits in your social credit score Comrade?
• Democratic Socialist
  • Mechanics are voted for by simple majority
  • You get them assigned to you for 2 years or 6 years or 30+ years
    • The 2 year assignments cover a smaller geographic foot print
    • The 6 year assignments cover the whole state
    • The 30+ year assignments could be either
  • You can have them removed, but only if a simple majority agree based upon their length of term
  • Or you are willing to go further to another mechanic, thus increasing your expenses
  • As has been known to happen, a law could be passed banning the practice of patronizing another precinct, thus meaning you would have to go to another state
  • You can use social media, which may be effective for your precinct, but only after 2 years, assuming it s not a State level mechanic
  • How does being stuck with a crumby mechanic for 30+ years sound about now?

In a nutshell. Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

FTFY in red


Germany has something similar in terms of democratic socialism. I think its called work/labor committees. It was referenced in an automobile article regarding germany. they also require if I'm not mistaken a labor rep on the corporate board.

Socialist capitalism ,, IE China ( guberment controls money in and out but allows business )

socialism in any form only works with the people controlled Originally Posted by rexdutchman

Ever been to Denmark?

Lotta socialism. No control.

Where on earth do yous come up with these morning haikus, Rexsy? Watching the OANN?