Client Screening Flowchart /How-to guide

That flowchart looks really overdone to me, does a girl want to spend 2 days + x amount of money to screen a guy who she's gonna meet for an hour? I don't think so. Originally Posted by waverunner234

Does a girl want to spend 2 days + x amount of money to screen a complete stranger who she's going to put herself into an EXTREMELY vulnerable & potentially dangerous/deadly circumstance with for ANY amount of time? Who she is going to trust her very life to in essence? I think so.

As a male I don't expect you or many others to be able to relate in the slightest bit to the underlying, ever-present stress of wariness & self-preservation females of any age unfortunately must retain constant awareness of, impressed into us from toddler age & every day of our lives after that... that we literally are the prey of predatorial people looking to take advantage of any vulnerability, weakness, inattention, trust, or opportunity to exploit in any number of horrible manners, from stalking, harassing, robbing, raping, degradation, abuse, torture, murder... the list goes on & on. It's sad but a brutal truth that must be recognized & acknowledged. It IS a daily threat, whether civilian or provider.

Just being a female, it can be like being sheep in a world run by wolves. Being an escort can be like being a solitary sheep walking alone through the woods. An easy target. Do you not think unsavory characters would realize that & potentially use it to their advantage for their uncivilized urges? They do, & far, far more than ever would get reported on any little internet community website like this. Or P411. Or datecheck. etc, etc.

So YES, the more screening the better. I'm so sorry it's a bit of an inconvenience to some of you fellows. It is to us too. But we have SO much more on the line than you do, please believe it & truly think about it.
I'm sorry giving up anything personal makes you feel vulnerable, but we are getting VERY personal with you too, and I assure you it makes us feel far more vulnerable than you!
You're worried about me having a "nerve twitch" and getting a little crazy on you if you piss me off, maybe calling your work or wife to rat on you or something?
Yeah, well I'm a little worried about you flipping a switch & getting crazy on me too if I piss you off-- or even if I don't-- except I'm not so much worried about you calling the LE to rat on me, I'm worried about being victimized in a much more brutal, even DEADLY way.

So I take it upon myself on behalf of all fastidiously screening ladies to extend an apology for the minor inconvenience on your end (trust us, it's even WAY more work on ours, as the chart demonstrates) but I do ask you to take a moment, seriously consider the many reasons, necessity, & consequences for us, and please be a little patient & understanding.

I assure you I am not interested in anything I find if no red flags come up in my screening, only if they do. So if a guy doesn't want to be screened, I can't help but question why, and feel alarmed.
Just today I had a guy call for an OC. But when he found I would not be driving myself ALONE to his home, he backed out. Hrmmm. Fishy. I explained politely that it is simply a safety & security measure for me to have a driver/security who knows where I am & is close in case anything goes awry for me. Perfectly understandable, reasonable, & smart I thought. Not acceptable to him. Well, that just raised red flags to me so we both agreed we were no longer interested in meeting.

On that side note, I must say I have noticed a trend since I went from agency to indy that the sharks seem to circle the solitary fishies much more than those when in the safety of schools, and that scares me. I do feel more vulnerable now, even though I know MY screening is more thorough than the agency's was. Or perhaps, it's that I get the feeling like predatorial types just see me as more vulnerable now.
Well guess what creepsters out there, I'm not. Because there IS a bit more qualifying to see me now that I am doing things my chosen way, and I have even more safety measures in place now as well.
Not that I really expect many or any to be here to read this, lol.

Bottom line--
Too much screening = maybe lose a potential client
Too little screening = maybe lose my LIFE.

Guess which I will go with every single time? Ya.


/rant over lol

Thats why it's important not to discuss anything over the phone or in person. All details should be ironed out via email only!!! If you meet a client and he starts talking about money or services, just say you don't know what he is talking about. Originally Posted by incognito isis

Is email any safer than phone or in person? I didn't know that. I assumed these days any admission was admissible, even texts.

EXACTLY!

"What's it gonna be? Hump or death? Hump?Death? Hurry up! The Clock is ticking! Hump?Death?Hump?Death?" Originally Posted by Mel Brookes as King Louis XVI, History of the World, Pt. 1

The context is different, but the urgency is the same.

Besides, I love the movie. Here's the clip.

This has been alll so informative. I rcvd a link to tht site and u thought it was f**** crazy so as per usual I signed on to ECCie for feedbk. God I love u guys!!!! thankyou u loads!!!

It sounds like you are trying to reinvent the wheel. Gina does a fine job with the service she provides at P411 and most ECCIE do a wonderful job of verifying enough for everyone's safety without doing a spinal tap and IRS audit. Why don't you just offer a DNA testing service if you want to be this intrusive?

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=219652

just saying

I love this discussion and learn a lot from the feedback. I also want to clarify that the flowchart has been misunderstood a bit. It's more of a guide for what a provider can do and expect on each peace of information collected.

For example, if you got the client name, phone number and his age. According to the chart, you should check his name and number against a blacklist database like PBuzz, VerifyHim, NBL or Dz411.

Also according to the chart, then you can run a reverse lookup on the phone using VerifyHim (cell+landline), Intellius(cell+landline) or WhitePages(landline) to know whom the phone is registered to. Is it consistent with his provided name?

After getting the name from the reverse phone search, if the name is unique enough you can also run a people search using Verifyhim or any other people search out there to verify his identity. Look up his cities by using the phone prefix is a nice trick as well.

The chart is to clear the confusion on what a provider can and should do with each piece of information gathered.

Mods please delete post.

Certainly a help for the new girls - thanks!

Found this on another site and thought it hit the point.

Never Give Personal Info
Any guy who gives any personal info to a provider is one brick short of a load. No butter on their biscuit. Etc.

Giving private info to Preferred411 & RoomService2000 is just as bad. Plus you pay $s for your stupidity. They are laughing all the way to the bank taking money off of stupid clients and stupid providers who actually believe they are safe.

[1] LE routinely manufacturers false IDs & personas for all their "undercover" work. Since a lot of it is for drugs, guns, etc, if they screw up, they are dead. There is zero way for an independent provider or a service to get around LE using such tactics.

[2] It is a legal and ongoing practice for Columbus LE to either use drugs to get a bust or to have sex with a provider to get a bust. Read the paper people. 'Nuff said!

[3] Providers, agencies, and membership services all claim they do not keep your private info. REALLY? WE have a few "outed" politicians that found out otherwise. So how does a membership service "update" your account if they don't keep the original info? Miami Companion agency who did business in Columbus got busted and they kept all the client info per the paper. And your favorite provider always seems to know you called because she has your # on her caller I'd. How stupid do they think we are?

[4] Clients who gave up personal info have been outed, blackmailed, robbed, etc. Yes, believe it or not, that little minx you love has a boyfriend or pimp or drug habit or someone to sell your CC info or personal info to. Ever hear of ID theft?

[5] If a provider wants that from you, explain the above to her. If she relies on screening that way, she is a risky date for you. Ask her for the same info she wants from you to verify her. Good luck with that! LOL

[6] So gents, stop thinking with the little head & just say NO. No personal info at all. No incall at your house. Nothing that can be traced back to you or used against you. Nada!

So then Cap'n.. I'd love to hear what better measures you suggest?

OK I 100% agree with better and more screening and I also think that yes you need to protect your self from all the dangers and assholes that are out there. But, here is the thing, its also hard for us to screen you to protect ourselves from the dangers out there. Now I would agree that the dangers out there for the girls is greater than for the boys but to understand why that guy canceld could be for a lot of reasons and a bunch of them have nothing to do with your safety, not saying that its not a big red flag but that doesn't mean that is what happened. It could be that he didn't want anybody to see somebody out side of his house waiting for an hour, it does look weird, although I think if you don't want anybody to know that you are with a provider than you don't deserve to use there services, but that's just me.

If we are talking about me I don't want somebody to come with them because every time or almost every time I have had someone drive them to my house it wasn't a real provider, it was a scam and all about the up sale. Lose of money although not anywhere near as scary as lose of life is still a fear and it is what your clients are worried about. Am I going to get what I am wanting or is this going to be like that horrible time where I got ripped off which ruined my night.

I just feel that its important to look at what the other side has to deal with and I completley understand your side and get why you want to screen. The problem is even with eccie, ter, and p411 it is still hard to find good information about the people you see. Another problem is agencies and independent providers who pull the upsale scam. That causes a lot of problems and turns good customers into bad customers quickly.

So the trick is how do both provider and client get the information they need about the people they are going to meet? And how do we get rid of the bad clients and providers who make life harder for everyone else.

Found this on another site and thought it hit the point.

Never Give Personal Info
Any guy who gives any personal info to a provider is one brick short of a load. No butter on their biscuit. Etc.

Giving private info to Preferred411 & RoomService2000 is just as bad. Plus you pay $s for your stupidity. They are laughing all the way to the bank taking money off of stupid clients and stupid providers who actually believe they are safe.

[4] Clients who gave up personal info have been outed, blackmailed, robbed, etc. Yes, believe it or not, that little minx you love has a boyfriend or pimp or drug habit or someone to sell your CC info or personal info to. Ever hear of ID theft?

[5] If a provider wants that from you, explain the above to her. If she relies on screening that way, she is a risky date for you. Ask her for the same info she wants from you to verify her. Good luck with that! LOL

[6] So gents, stop thinking with the little head & just say NO. No personal info at all. No incall at your house. Nothing that can be traced back to you or used against you. Nada! Originally Posted by Captain Columbus

Okay seriously? I'm personally not interested in taking anything more from a hobbyist than what we agree upon. I don't request personal information so I can blackmail them later, I don't sell their personal information to any other agent and I definitely don't have a pimp or security waiting to break into your house after you've given me your address. I'm just trying to ensure my safety and make sure we can both have fun. I mean, how much fun would YOU have with someone who is constantly looking over their shoulder for the boogeyman? I would prefer to be at ease with my situation so I ask questions to get a better id of the gentlemen I will be spending my time with. We all had to start somewhere in this lifestyle and nobody came prepared with two provider references so I screen in other methods such as asking first and last name, employment check, housing check. My safety is my ONLY concern. You will NEVER have to worry about me calling or showing up at any time other than what we have agreed on.

If p411 was really such a bad idea, why on Earth is it still being used? Oh, that's right because it's NOT!

Full name, driver's license, general location, multiple phone numbers, email address(es), IP address, etc. With this information and the right amount of computer saavy, one could get OTHER info, such as social security numbers, family member names, their places of employment, so on and so forth.


Would YOU feel comfortable giving up ALL that to just ONE stranger about yourself? What if every provider used this kind of screening? Would the guy have to go through this process each and every time? What's stopping the cops from kicking your door in and taking this information from you? The reason I'm asking these questions is because storing THIS kind of information in an illegal capacity just has that, 'Oh, shit' feeling written all over it. Oh shit as in, someone else has this info and now wants to do something evil with it. What fail-safes would you have in place to keep this info from falling into the wrong hands? S1 used to take client's drivers license numbers down. This was years ago when I used them, and I'm still uneasy about that shit, even NOW. What if you or someone else becomes pissed at a client, for whatever reason? Are you going to have enough resolve within yourself to resist outing him? I mean, we don't know these girls that we're giving up information to. Every guy who gives up this amount of info is just a nerve twitch away from that person deciding that they need to be humilated or punished for whatever reason, warranted or not.

My conservative estimate is that I don't think this screening process would sit well with most guys. Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

I agree. I know the ladies need to protect themselves and have every right to do so. However if this information is ever compromised it could be registering financially and professionally.

I agree. I know the ladies need to protect themselves and have every right to do so. However if this information is ever compromised it could be registering financially and professionally. Originally Posted by CountryGentleman35

As could be done to us simply by giving you our location address so you can visit. WHo knows what you could or would do with it outside of the intended purpose!
It is a calculated risk.