No it's the truth.How's about you get drhelen.blogspot.com to post an un-butchered version of the conversation between Obama and the lady asking the question?
http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2009/07/...ot-having.html Originally Posted by joe bloe
No it's the truth.How's about you get drhelen.blogspot.com to post an un-butchered version of the conversation between Obama and the lady asking the question?
http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2009/07/...ot-having.html Originally Posted by joe bloe
Now, that's a lie. Present hard facts or evidence. Under Obamacare, healthcare systems are held accountable for "failure" and re-admissions. THEY are actually scrambling, because they NOW have to be held responsible for the patient in their care and after-care. Who would've thunck? Originally Posted by mijo(BFE)Heres your hard facts and evidence
He got a heart because he waited for 20 months; the average wait time is six months to three years. It doesn't sound like he was given priorty over anybody. Once Obamacare kicks in old people won't get any kind of heroic treatment; it's not cost effective.not taking either side, but thats not what he said ... the youtube clip statement proves that
I remember in a town hall meeting, a woman told Obama that her aging mother had gotten a pacemaker six years earlier; apparently her life had been prolonged. Obama basically told her that under his proposed system her mother would have been given pain killers and sent home. Originally Posted by joe bloe
Heres your hard facts and evidenceThis is the same butchered out of context video that Joe Bloe linked to. Please pay attention.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo Originally Posted by Chica Chaser
Considering the potential life threatening status of Dick Cheney's condition, I will yield to my dearly departed Mother's wishes.
She used to tell me, "if you don't have something good to say about someone, don't say anything at all!"
This is for you Mr. "Someone!" _____ ____!!!!! Originally Posted by bigtex
This is the same butchered out of context video that Joe Bloe linked to. Please pay attention. Originally Posted by DooveTo speak to the broader point, it's clear that the Democrat's long term plan is to ration health care. This is already being done all over the world in countries with single payer systems.
It's times like this that liberals show their true colors. To not show compassion to a dying man, to not wish him well is contemptible. Liberals have no class. Originally Posted by joe bloe
The agency is called The Federal Coordinating Council for Effectiveness Research; Sarah Palin called a death panel. Originally Posted by joe bloeAre you speaking of the same Sarah "Governor Quitter" Palin who reluctantly admitted, in March 2010, that her family used to get treatment in Canada's single payer health care system, despite demonizing such government-run health care systems as socialized medicine that will eventually lead to death-panel rationing of medical services?
To speak to the broader point, it's clear that the Democrat's long term plan is to ration health care. This is already being done all over the world in countries with single payer systems. Originally Posted by joe bloeTo speak to the broader point, you've shown yourself as being willing to lie to make a point that benefits your side.
The Democrats intend to create a system that chooses which patients will get expensive life saving procedures based on cost to benefit ratio analysis.The Democrats can't create a system that already exists.
To put it simply, they're going to let the old people die; pain killers not pacemakers.You're lying again. But even if this were true, how is that any worse than letting young people die because they languish in an inability to afford health care? Or languish without healthcare because they're denied care for a pre-existing condition?