We'll set aside the fact that the statistical likelihood of being a crime victim in the US and Britain is insignificant. Originally Posted by timpageWhy one Earth would anyone want to set aside FACTS in a debate?? Just because you dont like the facts, doesnt mean you can dismiss them to help your arguement. The crime statistics are VERY important here. They show a clear fact.. despite UK's gun ban, crime has INCREASED... it even SKYROCKETED and in many cases , your more likely to be a victim of a crime in the UK then you are in the US. Lets NOTs set aside that fact.
The problem with your argument is that people in Britain have never, at least in recent history, had open access to firearms and firearms ownership has never been widespread. The percentage of the population that owns a handgun for instance has always been miniscule. Less than 60,000 when the total ban went into effect in the late '80's. The argument that less guns caused more crime in Britain is absurd. They never had guns to begin with...try something else. Originally Posted by timpagethis one is just as easy, you should really look into the facts before making these kinds of statements... Britain has a LOONG history of Guns and gun ownership, and the "recent history" you talk about is the last few decades when the government took away their guns. lol, and again you say that "less guns caused more crimes is absurd", even when the statistics are right there infront of you.
As for your flip assertion that 80 deaths a day is an emotional melodramatic argument; Maybe. So respond to it with your inexorable and irrestible conservative logic. I'll wait. In the time these last few comments to this thread have been posted, another 20 or 25 people died a firearm related death. Originally Posted by timpageboo hoo hoo.. thats the sound of all of us crying over those 25 people that died in the last few hours.. even the ones that are gangbangers and suiciders. I wonder how many crimes were overted with guns in the hands of law abiding citizens and officers in the time of the last few comments aswell.. I bet more then over in the UK. lolol
The problem with your argument is that people in Britain have never, at least in recent history, had open access to firearms and firearms ownership has never been widespread. The percentage of the population that owns a handgun for instance has always been miniscule. Less than 60,000 when the total ban went into effect in the late '80's. The argument that less guns caused more crime in Britain is absurd. They never had guns to begin with...try something else. Originally Posted by timpageYeah, once those pesky colonies refused to surrender their guns and revolted into a huge civil war (known here as the Revolutionary War that we just celebrated), the remaining UK places figured it was best to not allow their subjects to be able to defend themself from the monarchy/rulers/government ever again.
Lolol. Now ur just getting rediculous. But atleast u did post some statistics... Tho without the sources.Not to split hairs, but it's not "rediculous", it's "ridiculous". And my assertions aren't "arguements", they're "arguments". Finally, you can't "convict" me of anything but if you made any sense at all, I might be "convinced". Forgive me, details matter. As for military service, USMC 1977-1981. Semper Fi.
And still using lifetime network tactics by bringing up my wife and kids.. You could never be in the military. You could never complete a mission because you'd be thinking "what if that enemy was my wife or kid" lol. But it is a common tactic of the far left.
And as a matter if fact , I have my CHL and I did stop a crime with my glock about 2 years ago. Ofcourse it didn't make it into your statistics. What if the intended victim was YOUR wife and kids. (haha I can't believe I just said that but I couldt resist)
And simply calling the 3 or so videos and the sources statistics idiotic does nothing to support your opinions.
And when did facts become assertions? lol
Anyway, your arguements are progressively getting worse and angry so I'll leave you to wallow in your own self satisfaction. Some folks are just too fargone from reality.
Lols. I'm done with this thread. We'll never convict eachother anyhow. Haha Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy