Gun Control and Voter ID

I B Hankering's Avatar
1992 and 2000 yep Holder was right in the middle of that In Bred. Originally Posted by i'va biggen
Eric Holder, "a Clinton administration deputy attorney general when federal agents stormed the Miami home of Gonzalez’s relatives to remove the then-6-year-old and return him to Cuba ..."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11295.html



"[A] criminal referral was made to the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia, resulting in an investigation by a criminal investigative team assembled just for this matter. Eric Holder, then United States Attorney for the District of Columbia, recused himself from this matter.

"[T]he Ruby Ridge criminal investigative team was asked to examine events both during and after the crisis to determine whether there was evidence to support the criminal prosecution of any federal law enforcement officers."


http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/1997/August97/337crm.htm
Yssup Rider's Avatar
You're a fucking imbecile.

This is all about Eric Holder, and what he did when.

Hijacked another thread, didn't you, and heaved all over the board again.

Yeah, because you're the representative of the party that really cares about kids and people, aren't you jackwagon? Blind us with your publicworks. Originally Posted by timpage
It's not an issue of whether I care about adults and children. The Government whether it be on the State or Federal level can't put mandatory demands on a person's personal safety that's up to the individual himself. The Government can only place such demands on public safety issues, that's why we have traffic signals and markings on the road, that's why it's against the law to drive without a seatbelt on. It's not just a personal safety issue but a public one as well. That's why making a demand or regulation for this device on personal Firearms is strictly a personal safety issue and has no bearing on public safety what so ever. I would actually call it unconstitutional. I think your biggest problem with this thread is that a Liberal proposed this horseshit not a Conservative.

Jim
JD Barleycorn's Avatar
Fucking right wing dim-a-tards the chip was to open your gun safe so none except the owner can access the handgun. You fuckers will spin anything. Originally Posted by i'va biggen


The opening post didn't say but I did see Holder talking about bracelet that allows you to use the gun that goes with it. He called it "common sense" gun control that he was discussing with Biden. So much for your assertion that it's just a little chip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R28cUrKhBs
JD Barleycorn's Avatar
Yeah, because you're the representative of the party that really cares about kids and people, aren't you jackwagon? Blind us with your publicworks. Originally Posted by timpage
We do believe that citizens should be able to arm themselves to protect their children from very bad people. What do liberals believe about guns?



I think they sum up the liberal mindset.
Here we go with the liberal vs rights bull shit. You guys need to get a life and quit acting like little kids.
The only guns that need controlled are the ones NOT used for hunting.
Hand Guns SHOULD be available for those that qualify. Should need to attend classes in proper use and pass a exam. Period.
AKs and similar should only be available at a shooting range (and owned by the range operator)for those of you too fucking chicken to join the Army or Marines where they will give you one to use for the purpose it was meant.

Gun control like. Canada is just stupid. If you lived there you would have that key and if it fell into another persons hands you go to jail and the canooks take your guns.
Be glad you live in America and shut the fuck up
SpeedRacerXXX's Avatar
Here we go with the liberal vs rights bull shit. You guys need to get a life and quit acting like little kids.
The only guns that need controlled are the ones NOT used for hunting.
Hand Guns SHOULD be available for those that qualify. Should need to attend classes in proper use and pass a exam. Period.
AKs and similar should only be available at a shooting range (and owned by the range operator)for those of you too fucking chicken to join the Army or Marines where they will give you one to use for the purpose it was meant.

Gun control like. Canada is just stupid. If you lived there you would have that key and if it fell into another persons hands you go to jail and the canooks take your guns.
Be glad you live in America and shut the fuck up Originally Posted by mtnitlion

Well said but the mandatory requirement on how to properly use a handgun and knowing when it can and can't be used is not going to happen.
The opening post didn't say but I did see Holder talking about bracelet that allows you to use the gun that goes with it. He called it "common sense" gun control that he was discussing with Biden. So much for your assertion that it's just a little chip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R28cUrKhBs Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
BLA BLA BLA nothing as usual ...Holder and Biden were talking with people who are working on technology to make guns more safe. One concept was guns that identified a fingerprint by the owner or it would not fire. The other was a gun safe that would open when a chip like is used in credit cards was passed over it.
Eric Holder, "a Clinton administration deputy attorney general when federal agents stormed the Miami home of Gonzalez’s relatives to remove the then-6-year-old and return him to Cuba ..."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11295.html



"[A] criminal referral was made to the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia, resulting in an investigation by a criminal investigative team assembled just for this matter. Eric Holder, then United States Attorney for the District of Columbia, recused himself from this matter.

"[T]he Ruby Ridge criminal investigative team was asked to examine events both during and after the crisis to determine whether there was evidence to support the criminal prosecution of any federal law enforcement officers."


http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/1997/August97/337crm.htm Originally Posted by I B Hankering



Any dem alive at the time this occurred would be responsible according to you. Regardless of his position .
I B Hankering's Avatar
Here we go with the liberal vs rights bull shit. You guys need to get a life and quit acting like little kids.
The only guns that need controlled are the ones NOT used for hunting.
Hand Guns SHOULD be available for those that qualify. Should need to attend classes in proper use and pass a exam. Period.
AKs and similar should only be available at a shooting range (and owned by the range operator)for those of you too fucking chicken to join the Army or Marines where they will give you one to use for the purpose it was meant.

Gun control like. Canada is just stupid. If you lived there you would have that key and if it fell into another persons hands you go to jail and the canooks take your guns.
Be glad you live in America and shut the fuck up Originally Posted by mtnitlion
You contradict yourself, asshole. You say "Be glad you live in America" then, in your pea-brained way, quite literally deny the foundation for that esteemed belief: the Constitutional rights guaranteed to American citizens in the Bill of Rights.



Any dem alive at the time this occurred would be responsible according to you. Regardless of his position . Originally Posted by i'va biggen
Eric Holder and Seizing Elian
By Byron York
November 18, 2008 10:55 PM


One of my favorite Eric Holder stories involves his role in the Justice Department’s handling of the Elian Gonzalez case. In the period before armed agents seized the child, the Justice Department had been leaking its intention to avoid any sort of armed intervention. It would all be done quietly, they suggested. When top Department officials were asked about it, they said nothing to change that impression. About two weeks before the raid, Tim Russert asked Holder, “You wouldn’t send a SWAT team in the dark of night to kidnap the child, in effect?” Holder answered, “No, we don’t expect anything like that to happen.” Then the Department did precisely that. The day after the seizure, Holder appeared again with Russert, who asked, “Why such a dramatic change in position?” “I’m not sure I’d call it a dramatic change,” Holder answered. “We waited ’til five in the morning, just before dawn.”


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ian/byron-york


Go play in your flat sea of dirt, Ekim the Inbred Chimp.
fuckem...


Wednesday, May 6, 2009
No More Free Wacos: An Explication of the Obvious Addressed to Eric Holder, Attorney General of the United States.

Explication - noun; the act of making clear or removing obscurity from the meaning of a word, symbol or expression. -- Webster's Dictionary.


5 May 2009

Dear Eric,

I believe I'm entitled to use your first name, since you have expressed an interest in circumscribing my liberty and seizing my personal property, to wit, three heretofore legal semi-automatic rifles of military utility (mistakenly dubbed "assault rifles"). Anyone who wants to do something so personal and intimate as to commit premeditated theft upon you need not be given any honorifics, don't you agree? I mean, if a street thug announces that he wishes to rob you, there is no need to address him as "Sir" this or "Mister" that. Why should rapacious government thieves who announce their intentions so boldly be treated any differently? If you are offended by the fact that you are unused to being addressed in this manner, I can only say that you are not as offended as I am at the prospect of your administration trying to steal my property and liberty.

But, that is not why I write you today. No, I received what I believe to be a credible report this afternoon about someone whom the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives views as a real thorn in their side. The substance of the report has it that you, or someone in your office, has, in reference to this friend of mine, muttered something very much like the following:

"What miserable drones and traitors have I nurtured and promoted in my household who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric! . . . Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?"

That, of course, was Henry the Second speaking of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Becket, in the year of our Lord 1170.

Shortly thereafter, four of Henry's knights, Reginald Fitzurse, Hugh de Moreville, William de Tracy, and Richard le Breton entered Canterbury Cathedral, and hacked Becket to death with swords, scattering his brains on the floor. "Let us go," said one, "this fellow will not be getting up again."

That political murder had great consequences for Henry, and he regretted it the rest of his long reign.

But enough of Henry. Let's talk about the alleged threat. I am sure that this is a base canard, something attributed to you by someone who just wishes to make trouble. However, as it happens, this is not the first time, or even the second, that I have heard such threats attributed to your department since the election.

Yet, surely, such an educated man as yourself would not make King Henry's mistake. However, it seems likely that it did come out of your department, so let us say that in some perverted attempt to convey a threat to "this troublesome priest" one of your subordinates actually uttered it. Let us say, for purposes of hypothetical argument, that it is in some sense, true.

I know how agencies can spin out of control if not properly guided by upper management. So do you. I'm sure that you saw the television images out of Texas on 28 February and 19 April 1993. I think you would agree with me that neither of those days likely represented the official policy of the Clinton administration. Yet, they happened.

Subsequent to that, citizens formed self-defense militias, millions more of your hated "assault weapons" were imported and sold before the ban and we spent the next seven years staring uneasily at one another, waiting for the next government-issue bloody shoe to drop. Oh, yes, and your party lost control of the Congress, with even President Clinton blaming it on the passage of the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban. The Law of Unintended Consequences sure sucks, doesn't it?

But, the other shoe didn't drop.

Yet, there's something you should understand about that whole process. As an amateur historian and keen observer of current affairs I can see it without difficulty.

You only get one free Waco.

If the statistics on the sales of firearms and ammunition tell you anything, you ought to understand that the same dynamic is at work now and yet from your point of view you haven't DONE anything to deserve it. Oh, you've muttered occasional threats to reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban, but no one believes politicians when they speak anyway.

So why, you may ask yourself, is this happening?

Like I said, Eric, you only get one free Waco. It was your original sin. The botched raid, the massacre, the cover-ups, we've been through them already. You may remember that no one was held to account for that -- not very reassuring to the citizenry. And if, as is apparent, someone in the Department of Justice hasn't learned the lessons of the first Waco, we, the millions of "bitter clingers" out here in fly-over country, have. We have no reason to be trusting of your motives. For we, and you, have been here before.

So, let me explicate the obvious: There are no do-overs, not when it comes to your employees killing American citizens for bad reasons. Look around, count the guns, estimate the billions of rounds of small arms ammunition in private hands, and consider that the latest Janet has already declared most of the rest of us, including veterans, "domestic terrorists" anyway. Do you think we have not noticed? Do you think we do not remember the misdeeds of the last administration you were a part of?

In addition, recent government misconduct -- bureaucratic, legal and judicial -- in the Wayne Fincher and David Olofson cases (the same kind of chicanery that rightly caused you to overturn the conviction of Alaska Senator Ted Stevens) has convinced many of us that there is no percentage in betting on a fair trial if the ATF sets their sights on us and we are not part of the Mandarin class.

If we are no longer under the rule of constitutional law but are merely subject to irreversible bureaucratic diktat and we do not fancy being railroaded in a patently unfair federal trial where expert witnesses are denied access to evidence, then our options when approached by ATF agents are rather limited. It is plain, in the absence of the right of a fair trial, that a target of ATF investigation has little to lose by resorting to the right of an unfair gunfight. This may be an unintended consequence of those cases. It is nonetheless real.

Wake up and smell what your administration is shoveling from downwind, where we are forced to stand. And please understand the predicament you've put yourselves in by your present and former bad behavior.

There will be no more free Wacos.

Please, for all our sakes, counsel your employees, who apparently seek to curry your favor by misquoting you, that replicating 1993 is neither good policy nor is it your intention. We don't need any more itchy trigger fingers in this country.

And Eric, not to put too fine a point on it, but you and I both can make an educated guess about what mischief will likely ensue if ANY high-profile Second Amendment activist "has an accident". Best to tell your lads and lasses to stick to those nice safe paper cases (you know, the ones with the 4473s completed with a "Y", rather than "yes") and confine their wet-work fantasies to their off-duty reading. There's still lots of vicious drug gangs, murderous career criminals and real terrorists out there to keep them busy without picking a fight with honest American gunowners who merely want to be left alone.

Thank you for your kind attention in this matter. I wish you a nice, full and safe term of office. Really.

Mike Vanderboegh
PO Box 926
Pinson, AL 35126
GeorgeMason1776@aol.com
sipseystreetirregulars.blogspo t.com

(A distribution note to Three Percenters: Cast this one far and wide, folks. I have been told we need to make sure that the adults in the permanent bureaucracy exercise some control over their temporary charges, no matter how short-sighted, immature and petulant the Obamakiddies seem to be. The children are on the playground with loaded firearms, playing with societal forces they scarcely understand. Of course, this is putting the very nicest face possible on such potentially deadly behavior. Do I think it will work? Unlikely, but we have to try anyway.)
JD Barleycorn's Avatar
I see no one COULD comment on my two photos. The liberal left killing people with guns and taking children from their families by force. Just a small taste of what the liberal left is capable of. As for munition, that was not a smart post is so many ways. Some of your words indicate that you are not a knowledgeable gun owner if you own any guns at all. Many times the courts have found that our second amendment had nothing to do with hunting rights, it was about self defense rights. When was the last time a wild turkey came up to you in a parking lot and wanted your wallet and life? They used to have gun clubs in Norway and France. The German army invaded and they just went to the clubs and grabbed up all the weapons that were locked away. Norway has learned that lesson. The idea that we need permission from a piece of fallible technology is ridiculous. If it comes down to me and someone else I have already made a hard choice to take someone's life. I don't need to worry about will the pistol work. I also don't have to worry about someone jamming or hacking the signal to make my pistol worthless. I also don't want to pay an extra $200 per weapon to make my weapons someone's idea of "safe". I can never loan my gun to a friend or family member without problems. If I find myself in need at home late at night I have to make sure that I have the right bracelet on???

You can lie if you want (and we know you will) but this is what this White House calls "common sense". They have a much different definition that what everyone else has. Why not try this technology on cars first?
You contradict yourself, asshole. You say "Be glad you live in America" then, in your pea-brained way, quite literally deny the foundation for that esteemed belief: the Constitutional rights guaranteed to American citizens in the Bill of Rights.




Eric Holder and Seizing Elian
By Byron York
November 18, 2008 10:55 PM


One of my favorite Eric Holder stories involves his role in the Justice Department’s handling of the Elian Gonzalez case. In the period before armed agents seized the child, the Justice Department had been leaking its intention to avoid any sort of armed intervention. It would all be done quietly, they suggested. When top Department officials were asked about it, they said nothing to change that impression. About two weeks before the raid, Tim Russert asked Holder, “You wouldn’t send a SWAT team in the dark of night to kidnap the child, in effect?” Holder answered, “No, we don’t expect anything like that to happen.” Then the Department did precisely that. The day after the seizure, Holder appeared again with Russert, who asked, “Why such a dramatic change in position?” “I’m not sure I’d call it a dramatic change,” Holder answered. “We waited ’til five in the morning, just before dawn.”


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ian/byron-york


Go play in your flat sea of dirt, Ekim the Inbred Chimp. Originally Posted by I B Hankering
Keep paddling around in your sea of Bullshit In Bred the dim.
I B Hankering's Avatar
Keep paddling around in your sea of Bullshit In Bred the dim. Originally Posted by i'va biggen
Can't refute the facts, can you, Ekim the Inbred Chimp?
Can't refute the facts, can you, Ekim the Inbred Chimp? Originally Posted by I B Hankering
Didn't you miss your chance to blame Clinton instead of Holder ? Just nit picking aren't you? In Bred the dim.