I'm curious, where do you draw the line? You mention that the Israelis drove out someone who had lived there for 2,000 years (almost correct) based on some writings from over 4,000 years ago....archeology backs up those mysterious writings, Egyptian hieroglypics back up those questionable writings, Babylonian cuniform tablets back up those odd writings. I think it is safe to say that the forebearers of the modern Israelis WERE there 4,000 years ago.
So if we establish the Israeli claim to the land from 4,000 years ago. What happened? Those Israelis were living in the Middle East. They ruled, they got conquered, they went into slavery, they left slavery (this was about 3,300 years ago under the rule of Ramses II) and returned to their ancestrial lands. They fought, they ruled again, they were overrun by the Romans. 2,000 years ago there was an uprising that was more spiritual than millitary. That uprising was documented by scrolls found in Greece and in what was Rome. Those Israelis lived there until the coming of Mohammed and his followers in the seventh century. Many of those Israelis found themselves in Europe, Africa, Asia (Russia). The crusaders came, fought, and died in the land against foes like Saladin. This was years after the Muslims invaded and sacked Constantinople. The Europeans did sucessfully contain the Muslim forces in the Middle East and Africa in the 14th century. Things remained static for a couple of hundred years until superior European technology, European greed, and religious ferver brought the Europeans back to Palenstine. The Middle East was arbitrarily divided between the European powers. So where do you draw the chronological time line? 100 hundred years ago? A thousand years ago? Seventy years ago? Why chose that last one? The only reasonable explanation is that it suits your agenda. There is no other reason.
Lets get something else clear, when Israel was created there were many voices that wanted to be heard. Some wanted to drive out the Muslims who lived there as squatters, others wanted to live beside their neighbors as equals in a Jewish state, and other smaller voices had other ideas. The former was aided by the Grand Mufti of Jordan who ordered the Muslim faithful to leave all they had in Israel, train in Jordan, and return to take back what was theirs. These are the Palenstinians we hear so much about. They voluntarily left their land seventy years ago at the behest of a religious leader with thoughts of murder and bloodshed on their minds. Years later the Jordanian authorities slaughtered them when they got too demanding on the King of Jordan.
The Palestinians were created as an army to kill the Jewish settlers who can trace their claim back for years. Some Jews never left Israel and have survived for hundreds of years. The Jewish claim is far stronger than the European claim on the new world. Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn
Lets get something else clear, when Israel was created there were many voices that wanted to be heard. Some wanted to drive out the Muslims who lived there as squatters ..
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Muslims were there when Israel was created?? .. pretty much proves who actually owned the land doesn't it .. very kind of you to call the people that claimed the land first, "squatters"
ya see Teach, yammering shit like that is what makes you an idiot.
for the record, I'm with COG on this one.
