For the ladies: hours spent?

I think this should be a very enlightening question for many providers. The ladies that have answered have already shown a "head" for the business side of things. Many ladies that are lurking, I'm sure, have not. They either only look at their income, not their expenses. Or they have the "strippers mentality" of taking as much as they can as fast as they can.

I spend a LOT of time working with my distributors, who are small business owners. The majority of that time is spent working on "Business 101". Many people get into a business for lots of reasons, usually because they know the product or the market. But few know how to run their operations profitably. They have no real clue of what their cost structure is, so they have no true idea of how much (or little) to sell their product for.

Over the years I have seen the same thing from the vast majority of girls who get involved with this. On one hand many (certainly not ALL) of these girls look at the money and realize that for only "working" 2 or 3 hours (only taking into account the date time) they can make more than they would make working in a normal business environment for 40+ hours. And that's still true, especially if the girl is looking at working in an entry-level retail or office setting.

But one of the things I've told many, many, MANY girls (and few listen) is that this IS a business for them. They need to run it like one. They need to invest back into the business. Just like any professional needs to update their skill set, they need to think of things like taking care of themselves. Spending a little money on their outfits. Making sure they have enough cash or a credit card to get a room if need be. They need to think of things like marketing themselves, handling the admin details, like making sure they've got enough minutes on their phone to actually deal with the screening and setting up appointments. Taking time to educate themselves on the hobby, hobbyiests and what's safe and not safe to do.

But, just like many of the small business owners I see, they just don't want to deal with the "business" end of the equation. They think that just because they're hot, or good at what they do, they'll always be OK. It's rarely the case. If you don't take care of "back office" operations in ANY business, you will not be in business. I know one girl in particular that basically does nothing for an entire week. Never works out, never updates pics, never gets new outfits or toys. But then when she needs money, she posts an ad and gets pissed when the phone doesn't start ringing right away. So to entice guys, she lowers her rates or offers discounts or "promotions". This is the classic case of a reactive business strategy, and it's always doomed to fail. This individual constantly wonders why she's broke. Hmmm, I wonder....

Like Q, I have an appreciation for the efforts that girls DO put on "behind the scene". I would never claim to have a full understanding of it (although I think it'd make a GREAT business case study for a business student! ). But I can usually tell the girls that do have a grasp on it (or are grasping it...it's a process). It shows off in their longevity, the fact they can maintain their rates higher and that they have a more loyal clientele, which actually makes things easier by lowering the amount of screening and marketing they have to do.

Sense55 put it very well. My take on it is that if I were in this business I wouldn't look at it from the standpoint of 'how much time does it take for an hour appointment'. Much of the time spent actually supports multiple dates.

I would assess how many hours spent on dates a week I target, make sure my pricing is in line with that target, and then determine my projected weekly revenue. I would know that I would need to spend some non-direct time in order to support that revenue model (travel, working out, shopping for work clothes, marketing, pictures, hair & makeup, etc.).

Over time, I would continually assess whether my pricing model was resulting in the revenue I project--knowing that there will be fluctuations from week to week and month to month. I would also assess my pricing versus others in the business, as the market is going to be the final arbiter in setting the price.

I think some successful girls take this approach (whether explicitly or implicitly) and are able to work successfully. Others take a stab at it and don't understand when they don't make it.

I think this should be a very enlightening question for many providers. The ladies that have answered have already shown a "head" for the business side of things. Many ladies that are lurking, I'm sure, have not. They either only look at their income, not their expenses. Or they have the "strippers mentality" of taking as much as they can as fast as they can.

I spend a LOT of time working with my distributors, who are small business owners. The majority of that time is spent working on "Business 101". Many people get into a business for lots of reasons, usually because they know the product or the market. But few know how to run their operations profitably. They have no real clue of what their cost structure is, so they have no true idea of how much (or little) to sell their product for.

Over the years I have seen the same thing from the vast majority of girls who get involved with this. On one hand many (certainly not ALL) of these girls look at the money and realize that for only "working" 2 or 3 hours (only taking into account the date time) they can make more than they would make working in a normal business environment for 40+ hours. And that's still true, especially if the girl is looking at working in an entry-level retail or office setting.

But one of the things I've told many, many, MANY girls (and few listen) is that this IS a business for them. They need to run it like one. They need to invest back into the business. Just like any professional needs to update their skill set, they need to think of things like taking care of themselves. Spending a little money on their outfits. Making sure they have enough cash or a credit card to get a room if need be. They need to think of things like marketing themselves, handling the admin details, like making sure they've got enough minutes on their phone to actually deal with the screening and setting up appointments. Taking time to educate themselves on the hobby, hobbyiests and what's safe and not safe to do.

But, just like many of the small business owners I see, they just don't want to deal with the "business" end of the equation. They think that just because they're hot, or good at what they do, they'll always be OK. It's rarely the case. If you don't take care of "back office" operations in ANY business, you will not be in business. I know one girl in particular that basically does nothing for an entire week. Never works out, never updates pics, never gets new outfits or toys. But then when she needs money, she posts an ad and gets pissed when the phone doesn't start ringing right away. So to entice guys, she lowers her rates or offers discounts or "promotions". This is the classic case of a reactive business strategy, and it's always doomed to fail. This individual constantly wonders why she's broke. Hmmm, I wonder....

Like Q, I have an appreciation for the efforts that girls DO put on "behind the scene". I would never claim to have a full understanding of it (although I think it'd make a GREAT business case study for a business student! ). But I can usually tell the girls that do have a grasp on it (or are grasping it...it's a process). It shows off in their longevity, the fact they can maintain their rates higher and that they have a more loyal clientele, which actually makes things easier by lowering the amount of screening and marketing they have to do. Originally Posted by Sens55

R Stone,

Absolutely a little Managerial Accounting goes into it. There is direct costs and overhead. Both have to be taken into consideration to operate profitably. Most only look at direct costs.

OMG OMG OMG

This is kinda on topic, the lovely Bella @ High Heel Designs is making my new site right now and I just found a FABULOUS Italian for a new photo shoot.

I'm going to spend between 800 and 1000 today and I expect it to return a new set of ta-tas by June.

...and I expect it to return a new set of ta-tas by June. Originally Posted by SillyGirl

Those'll need closer inspection...

Ha ha ha. I'm totally gonna be running all "OMG new boobies!!! Wanna see?"

I have given my share of negative posts to SillyGirl, but fair is fair. So no WKing on my part.

Here is someone willing to spend some $$$ in a way that will not only potentially draw an upscale client...but I'm sure she is looking at this expenditure as an investment which will more than pay for itself.

Too many providers just throw out a BP ad whenever they need cash, i.e. end of the month rent. Some don't look at this, as truly a business...and their "long term planning" is what am I going to need tomorrow.

So I tip my hat to SillyGirl for making a good business decision, both in terms of marketing (letting us know thru her post) as well as making the investment on her web site.

Well thank you VK. I am a capitalist of almost religious fervor.

I think Jackie's response was the best one to this question. I've said about as much to new girls I've met who have not yet wrapped their heads around all this stuff. Some ladies get their heads right and are ready to work when they're on... and others are never ready so, for them they end up rushing a lot--they never seem to get a break & never seem to make the type of money they could make.

I am not WK'ing. But I will say the very first time I met SG before she "came out" as an Indy, she had a plan. I remember sitting in a dark bar talking & she laid out her plan. I thought she as a little overly ambitious for someone so new to the game. She laid out pricing, rough timelines, target clientelle, etc. I was impressed but thought she might be ahead of herself. But she was way further ahead of any other girl I've met at that stage.

Now. Read slowly. Someof you on heart meds stop reading now. This is shocking. But I readily admit, she was right and I was not. Yes boys & girls I just admitted it.

But it was refreshing to meet someone with vision

...I wouldn't look at it from the standpoint of 'how much time does it take for an hour appointment'. Much of the time spent actually supports multiple dates. Originally Posted by R. Stone Jr.

This is why I asked the ladies to total their hours spent for a week or month and divide by the hours, because some hours would be amortized across many dates.

I expect it to return a new set of ta-tas by June. Originally Posted by SillyGirl

On a personal level, I am disappointed to hear this. However I totally understand this from a business perspective (as well as being Lilianna's personal choice). Time and again, men respond to polls that they prefer natural ta-ta's, even if they are smaller. And yet a girl who gets fake breasts almost always makes WAY more money -- at least for dancers. I don't have personal experience for escorts but I believe it would be true for them as well.

It makes sense, considering how many guys make dates based just on a picture. It just strikes me as funny that guys will claim over and over that they don't like fake tits, but those are the girls who make the money.

Anyway, thanks to those who responded to my original query.

I try not to keep track of all the above, or I might look for an "easier" career! (Don't have to be pretty, personable, flexible, or have a wicked wardrobe to do many other jobs.) It does take a lot of time to get smoothly and lickably clean. (Heck, shaving these long legs and the "Y" recreation area takes 20 minutes if I don't want to apply a bandage afterward, and that's not including pre-exfoliation and post-moisturizing, or choosing sexy stockings and panties and pulling them on. Don't get me started on how much time and money I spend on pedicures.) I make a substantial effort to think up creative ads, answering emails with friendly banter and not just one line of "meet me for ____ at ____ and bring ____," and seems like I'm heavy breathing on the phone endlessly.

Also, mustn't forget that I have to shop for and home test new outfits and toys and lubes and, and, and...well, I could have gentlemen help me with product feasibility studies when we get together, if you fellows wouldn't mind. Thumbs down or up Fancy, er, for Fancy.

To answer honestly, I cannot quote numbers as I just don't keep track of anything other than hard receipts and substantiated deductible expenses, but I know that I've had "traditional" white collar positions (as opposed to positions with white collars) that took less time and effort, and yes, I'm familiar with basic business tenents and what I call "spreadsheet executivism." However, I actually ENJOY this and can set my own hours and be my own boss, so the time spent is subjective to the "fulfillment" of the job.

I'd rather count orgasms.

This is why I asked the ladies to total their hours spent for a week or month and divide by the hours, because some hours would be amortized across many dates.


On a personal level, I am disappointed to hear this. However I totally understand this from a business perspective (as well as being Lilianna's personal choice). Time and again, men respond to polls that they prefer natural ta-ta's, even if they are smaller. And yet a girl who gets fake breasts almost always makes WAY more money -- at least for dancers. I don't have personal experience for escorts but I believe it would be true for them as well.

It makes sense, considering how many guys make dates based just on a picture. It just strikes me as funny that guys will claim over and over that they don't like fake tits, but those are the girls who make the money.

Anyway, thanks to those who responded to my original query. Originally Posted by KCQuestor

I don't think chicks who get fake boobs make more money than chicks with smaller boobs. I've seen chicks who were flat as a board pull in 2 - 3 grand a week as an escort (and no they weren't high volume).

Doesn't the quality of service and personality during the session have a lot to do with why a gent picks a lady also? A gal can have 34DD's and be totally hot, but offer the worst sessions or have the holier than thou attitude, and do you think she's really going to make more money than a flat chested gal who is considered a total package?

I personally think a lot of ladies get boob jobs for the wrong reasons, but if they're happy.....that's all that matters no?

I know the subject at hand is hours spent getting ready but since the subject was introduced...

I also don't know why any lady, pro or otherwise, would get fake 'uns. Personally, I hate them and would never knowingly patronize a lady who had them. Recently, I visited a lady who told me she wanted to get them. I had to supress a groan. Her natural ones were small, but very cute and perky. From looking at pictures of implants, I see very few that look really good and natural. It's a turnoff to see a lady that has the "cannonball effect".