New video I found regarding Karl Marx's theories. Watch when you have time. It is long! I really cannot understand how so many Americans really think Capitalism is working for the whole of society. It includes written article also.Man was designed to be free and independent. Does Communism promote that better than Capitalism, if so how?
I used to think "communism" was a dirty word too!
http://www.intelligencesquared.com/events/karl-marx/ Originally Posted by SeekingTruth
OverCompensation, do you think humans are not designed for freedom? Are we designed for slavery? Are ambitions, goals and dreams merely phony constructs available only to a few? Do you seriously think that any human, given a choice (without cultural and parental programming) would choose a life of servitude over a life of liberty? Seriously? Originally Posted by CuteOldGuyWhere to begin. Firstly, I don't think humans are 'designed,' as you put it. As for phony constructs, yes, that's pretty much it. We have a need to know why we are here. Some of us chose to look to science for that answer. Others made up gods in order to explain things that we couldn't explain at the time. You can't say what a human would choose, outside of cultural or parental programming. That's an unanswerable question because inevitably, cultural influences will have to play a part. Liberty as chosen by whom? Your liberty might not look like mine. And you also present a false argument by presupposing that there are only two outcomes, servitude or freedom. Some would consider a lifelong 9-5 job a form of servitude on some level. You want to arrive at a simple answer and there just isn't one.
Man was designed to be free and independent. Does Communism promote that better than Capitalism, if so how?The two you mention are largely economic theories. Their governmental counterparts would be socialism and democracy.
Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin
Well we all aren't here by some chance, I'll tell ya that.Of course we are. I know it's not an easy or even pleasant thought to wrap your head around, but that's the long and short of it. We are born, we live and we die, end of story. Christianity(from Judaism) is a bronze age invention to make people feel better about our insignificance in this universe. Older religions are much the same thing. That's why they all have similar creation stories and jesus figures. You're old enough, they let geezers sit in on university courses at the local college. Sit in on some comparative religion courses. Man hasn't changed, ever. We see things, we need to make sense of them. When we can't, we explain it by saying it's magic(Jesus). As science progresses forward, it will continue to erode the need for religion as a societal construct. Hell, even Newton, one of the smartest men who ever lived, reached the limit of understanding in his time and believed that a supernatural being was responsible for what he could not understand or explain. It's not something to be afraid of. You'll be dead, you won't know it.
Jim Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin
Of course we are. I know it's not an easy or even pleasant thought to wrap your head around, but that's the long and short of it. We are born, we live and we die, end of story. Christianity(from Judaism) is a bronze age invention to make people feel better about our insignificance in this universe. Older religions are much the same thing. That's why they all have similar creation stories and jesus figures. You're old enough, they let geezers sit in on university courses at the local college. Sit in on some comparative religion courses. Man hasn't changed, ever. We see things, we need to make sense of them. When we can't, we explain it by saying it's magic(Jesus). As science progresses forward, it will continue to erode the need for religion as a societal construct. Hell, even Newton, one of the smartest men who ever lived, reached the limit of understanding in his time and believed that a supernatural being was responsible for what he could not understand or explain. It's not something to be afraid of. You'll be dead, you won't know it. Originally Posted by UnderConstructionWell that's pretty sad that you want to put all your chips on science. How does someone like you meet the loss of a loved one?
So, to answer your question in short, neither one of them (communism or capitalism) allow us to be free or even more free than the other. In theory, they are both good. Practically, not so much. Originally Posted by shanm
2013 Per Capita Income.
Communist North Korea - $1,800
Capitalist South Korea - $33,189
Originally Posted by lustylad
Lookee here, folks! Another fine example of warped, libtarded thinking of the most perverse kind! No real difference between communism and capitalism! According to shammytard, it's sorta like ordering a Miller or a Budweiser. The beer ads look good, but both taste lousy so it really doesn't matter which one you choose.
I don't know whether shammytard is too young or historically illiterate to remember the Berlin Wall. Can someone help me out here? I mean, what was all the fuss about back in 1961-1989? Who built the wall in the first place - the communists or the capitalists? Was it erected to stop people from fleeing to the communist East or the capitalist West? What does that tell you about where freedom flourished and where it was suppressed? It's called voting with your feet! Yet shammytard thinks they were both the same. According to his libtard revisionist history of the Cold War, neither side allowed us to be "more free than the other". The only cure for this type of demented and delusional thinking is to lock shammytard in a room with Pink Floyd's "The Wall" playing over and over at 80 decibels while documentary footage of East Germans being shot to death fleeing to the West runs in a continuous loop on a video screen. Then after a month or so of this Audio-Visual re-education therapy, we will fly shammytard to the Korean 38th Parallel at the Panmunjom checkpoint, march him out and give him a choice to go north or south. Don't tell shammytard, but in the north they don't have Miller OR Budweiser!
Shammytard, this bud's for you:
Guess which Korea is free and which is a Stalinist dictatorship?
Guess which Korea eats and which one starves?
. Originally Posted by lustylad