spying vs. survailance

I think Mad Dog 20/20 is doing all the talking Originally Posted by Hotrod511

... and the balling ....



I'm actually somewhat embarrassed for him ... whining and crying!

Somewhat!

I believe HillariousNoMore will not be running in 2020.

...

They all pretend to be "word smiths" in an effort to deflect. Originally Posted by LexusLover

Remember back in the Obama daze when they thought "nuanced argument" was a valid explanation?

Remember back in the Obama daze when they thought "nuanced argument" was a valid explanation?

Originally Posted by gnadfly

and it didn't even work for Obama. Who knew?


BAHAAA

Remember back in the Obama daze ....

Originally Posted by gnadfly

The "legacy" of the Obaminable Administration is the proof that the Nation is resilient and can survive an affirmative action President and a goofball VP who publicly assaults females and claims he's merely "consoling" them during their time of distress .....



... I wonder what her "distress" is beside a predator pawing at her!

Sedition, treason, racketeering and unethical are the words that are appropriately applied to what many Americans consider to be an illegitimate administration or at the very least an unfairly enriched business if not a criminal enterprise. Evidence to confirm, sedition, treason and racketeering is usually obtained by lawful survillence, counter-intelligence initiatives or simply put spying. If those actions involve collecting information related to national security or embarrassing to the interests of USA then more likely than not FISA court approval will be required. The American court system can make almost anything legal but that does not mean it is moral or more importantly ethical.

Sedition, treason, racketeering and unethical are the words that are appropriately applied to what many Americans consider to be an illegitimate administration or at the very least an unfairly enriched business if not a criminal enterprise. Evidence to confirm, sedition, treason and racketeering is usually obtained by lawful survillence, counter-intelligence initiatives or simply put spying. If those actions involve collecting information related to national security or embarrassing to the interests of USA then more likely than not FISA court approval will be required. The American court system can make almost anything legal but that does not mean it is moral or more importantly ethical. Originally Posted by Whisky_1

How convenient to use FISA warrants to justify "spying" on Trump when we all know they were solely based on the Steele Dossier which is and was nothing less that a DNC/Clinton propaganda hit piece and the true source was not disclosed to the court as is required by law.


here's the deal. let me explain this to you. Every once in a while a liberal "intellectual" cruises in the forum certain that they'll make short work of a bunch of ignert trumptards. After awhile, when these statements get refuted time and time again and all that is left is exposed as nothing more than a Trump hater, they all give up.

So good luck!

Thank you valued poster!

let's dance

The American court system can make almost anything legal but that does not mean it is moral or more importantly ethical. Originally Posted by Whisky_1

So you're saying the odumbo people were immoral and unethical, but arguably legal, when they spied on the Trump campaign?

Do ya really thinks Susan Rice's CYA memo to file dated January 20, 2017 regarding odumbo's "strictly by the book" comment will keep her raggedy ratface ass out of jail?

Kid and Lad.....Just because I refuse to buy into the BS 45 is offering does not mean I have hate for him or his minions. You do know that no members if the Obama administration have been incarcerated but 45's administration has established a winning recordin that regard. Repeating the thousands of lies, half-truths and lies of omission publically uttered by 45 is not a reclama or rebuttal. Moreover, it is usually not convenient to get a FISA warrent. There is no requirement that I know of that requires the outcome of a FISA warrent to be made public. The FISA Court system exist to prevent the disclosure of classified information while bringing hostile agents and entities to justice. Again it was members of the Trump Campaign that came up on the ongoing Russian counter-intelligence radar. If they had not met with Russian spies or properly disclosed their meeting it would not have been an issue. If you were not a registered agent and met with known Russian spies, diplomats or deemed to be working for a hostile foreign government you would probably be investigated by the FBI as well. On the other hand, if you have pee pee tapes out there I doubt that anybody on this board is going to hold that against you.

Kid and Lad.....Just because I refuse to buy into the BS 45 is offering does not mean I have hate for him or his minions. You do know that no members if the Obama administration have been incarcerated but 45's administration has established a winning recordin that regard. Repeating the thousands of lies, half-truths and lies of omission publically uttered by 45 is not a reclama or rebuttal. Moreover, it is usually not convenient to get a FISA warrent. There is no requirement that I know of that requires the outcome of a FISA warrent to be made public. The FISA Court system exist to prevent the disclosure of classified information while bringing hostile agents and entities to justice. Again it was members of the Trump Campaign that came up on the ongoing Russian counter-intelligence radar. If they had not met with Russian spies or properly disclosed their meeting it would not have been an issue. If you were not a registered agent and met with known Russian spies, diplomats or deemed to be working for a hostile foreign government you would probably be investigated by the FBI as well. On the other hand, if you have pee pee tapes out there I doubt that anybody on this board is going to hold that against you. Originally Posted by Whisky_1

Let me help ya out here. Let's have a pop quiz to help you understand the issues at hand.

Yes or No section.

Do the ends justify the means if the FBI intentionally failed to disclose the source as is required by law to obtain the FISA warrants?

Yes or No?

True or False section.

It is customary for presidential candidates of all parties to receive defensive briefings on campaign operatives with known or recently discovered potential foreign links and contacts.

True or False?

You may use the reference material below before you begin the quiz.

Thank you valued poster.

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-v...n-ties-russia/

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/en...the-means--the

Kid and Lad.....Just because I refuse to buy into the BS 45 is offering does not mean I have hate for him or his minions. You do know that no members if the Obama administration have been incarcerated but 45's administration has established a winning recordin that regard. Repeating the thousands of lies, half-truths and lies of omission publically uttered by 45 is not a reclama or rebuttal. Moreover, it is usually not convenient to get a FISA warrent. There is no requirement that I know of that requires the outcome of a FISA warrent to be made public. The FISA Court system exist to prevent the disclosure of classified information while bringing hostile agents and entities to justice. Again it was members of the Trump Campaign that came up on the ongoing Russian counter-intelligence radar. If they had not met with Russian spies or properly disclosed their meeting it would not have been an issue. If you were not a registered agent and met with known Russian spies, diplomats or deemed to be working for a hostile foreign government you would probably be investigated by the FBI as well. On the other hand, if you have pee pee tapes out there I doubt that anybody on this board is going to hold that against you. Originally Posted by Whisky_1

I completely agree with this explanation.

Sedition, treason, racketeering and unethical are the words that are appropriately applied to what many Americans consider to be an illegitimate administration or at the very least an unfairly enriched business if not a criminal enterprise. Evidence to confirm, sedition, treason and racketeering is usually obtained by lawful survillence, counter-intelligence initiatives or simply put spying. If those actions involve collecting information related to national security or embarrassing to the interests of USA then more likely than not FISA court approval will be required. The American court system can make almost anything legal but that does not mean it is moral or more importantly ethical. Originally Posted by Whisky_1

Where's the "pee tape" ya'll have been ranting about for three years? After all "it was considered important to National Security!"

Kid and Lad.....Just because I refuse to buy into the BS 45 is offering does not mean I have hate for him or his minions. You do know that no members if the Obama administration have been incarcerated but 45's administration has established a winning recordin that regard. Repeating the thousands of lies, half-truths and lies of omission publically uttered by 45 is not a reclama or rebuttal. Moreover, it is usually not convenient to get a FISA warrent. There is no requirement that I know of that requires the outcome of a FISA warrent to be made public. The FISA Court system exist to prevent the disclosure of classified information while bringing hostile agents and entities to justice. Again it was members of the Trump Campaign that came up on the ongoing Russian counter-intelligence radar. If they had not met with Russian spies or properly disclosed their meeting it would not have been an issue. If you were not a registered agent and met with known Russian spies, diplomats or deemed to be working for a hostile foreign government you would probably be investigated by the FBI as well. On the other hand, if you have pee pee tapes out there I doubt that anybody on this board is going to hold that against you. Originally Posted by Whisky_1

Your wholly inaccurate POV is predicated on opposition research in the form of the Steele Dossier: a fucking lie bought and paid for by hildebeest. Hence, you lie by repeating it. The Steele Dossier was central to obtaining the FISA warrants each and every time. The FISA warrants were sworn out on allegations against Carter Page -- someone never charged with a damn thing.

I completely agree with this explanation. Originally Posted by A1.

You too have hooked your fantasies to a lie.

I completely agree with this explanation. Originally Posted by A1.

Stay in Canada.

Canada isn't the topic, stay focused
instead of flying in circles

Trump in office has served as the most Russia-sympathetic, NATO-skeptical, EU-hostile president since the end of World War II, and it clearly wouldn’t be in the interests of the Russian government to release anything that would make Trump look bad.

Moreover, it is usually not convenient to get a FISA warrent. There is no requirement that I know of that requires the outcome of a FISA warrent to be made public. The FISA Court system exist to prevent the disclosure of classified information while bringing hostile agents and entities to justice. Again it was members of the Trump Campaign that came up on the ongoing Russian counter-intelligence radar. If they had not met with Russian spies or properly disclosed their meeting it would not have been an issue. Originally Posted by Whisky_1

Fyi - 98% of all FISA applications are approved. Most of them deal with terrorism. If a US citizen is communicating with known ISIS or al-queda operatives overseas, do I want that person to be surveilled? YOU'RE DAMN FUCKING RIGHT I DO!!

Now the corrupt obama administration has completely blown up the FISA system by weaponizing it against domestic political opponents, not terrorists! That's why we must have the relevant FISA applications made public - they are evidence of obama's misconduct! I especially want to hear directly from the FISA judges! How do they feel about having been misled by Comey's FBI?

Fyi - Carter Page was an energy consultant. Russia is a major energy producer.

Page was regularly debriefed by the FBI on his Russian contacts long before he was associated with the Trump campaign. He cooperated fully and answered all questions. Why spy on a Naval Academy graduate who is willing to tell you everything you want to know?

And why didn't the FBI warn Trump if they had reason to believe Russian operatives were seeking to infiltrate his campaign? As Barr said, that's the way it's normally done.... unless, of course, the bastards were looking for a cover story to justify backdoor spying on trump!!

Remember whisky... spying on a political campaign is a BIG DEAL! Thank God for William Barr!