Where did honesty go?

Shayla...If you don't collect the money first some men won't pay you...be careful.better count it too. Originally Posted by pickupkid

Yeah, even someone you've seen before & trusted will screw you.

I saw a gent last year who shorted me on my donation because he didn't stay the entire session because he had to get back to work. He actually tried to argue with me on the time issue & amount of donation. It was ridiculous. I didn't get the money up front because he'd never given me any problems before. Always get the money up front. Sorry, guys.

O and I never offer my services I get approached by these ladies. Funny how when I quote them my hourly fee, they get at times get offended that I would charge them, lol. Then they offer time w me. I trust people until they give me reason not to. Why should I do work for free for provider? I do not get it? But it is a common theme, most ladies just move on after I quote my prices, lol. I am supposed to pay them for their service but not get paid for mine?

Shayla...If you don't collect the money first some men won't pay you...be careful.better count it too. Originally Posted by pickupkid

Hmm, I've never had that happen. In my experiences all the guys have been pretty honest and good with this.
Then again... I'm a totally different area all together.

Well Shayla,,,if you read some other posts ..you know it can happen just beware

I rarely pay up front. There have been a couple of times, but rarely.

The worst case I ever had was I opened the door to leave, put my hand in my pocket to get my keys, and immediately closed the door and handed the lady the money that I had forgotten to give her. She was a regular at that point, so she was not worried.

I understand the point from both sides, I guess I just feel more comfortable at the end. If no money has been exchanged or 'placed on the table in a white envelope,' then LE has a little harder case for prostitution in my eyes. Since I rarely talk dollars with a lady, I can argue it was a friends with benefits encounter.

Once we have done the deed, I figure that LE issues have evaporated.

As an aside, if I pay upfront, you are not likely to get a tip. At the end, maybe. I must admit these days I do not tip very frequently, so don't think that is a basis for waiting to the end.

Also, I frequently see RMTs in what can be considered as a legitimate encounter, to start with. They rarely ask for payment up front, and then my "tip" is really just paying them an appropriate amount for the level of service they provide.

Remember when you could pay the provider at end of session.
Or how about when you hand the provider money and she ran out the door.

or how about pictures that were real.

or how about handing the provider the money and you get nothing except a dance. Originally Posted by pickupkid

My pictures have always been 100% me.

I never count the money ahead of time...the client puts the money down on the table or drawer and I've never been ripped off.

And when I say Full Service baby, it's a Sandals resort...everything is included!


Sounds like you've had a lot of experience with the Vegas girls...who take the money and say it's only for a dance, it costs 800 more for the real deal.,

There is always someone who messes it up for everyone. It never fails..

Oh, and you need one of these too:

(Counterfeit Money Detectors), a providers best friend and only cost you @$30. Hell, SL will pay that up front if you'll just tell him you're going to NCNS him. He'd rather know so that he doesn't have to look for you, only to find you downstairs at the bar, drunk and cursing out some bar patron. Right SL?

Anyway, back on track, she shouldn't have to ask. Go with the moment. Hell, if it jumps right off, then go with it and discretely pay at the end. Just don't do that conterfeit stuff. You guys are killing us "honest" hobbyists, LOL! Originally Posted by mijo(BFE)

There is always someone who messes it up for everyone. It never fails.. Originally Posted by JasmineCummings

You got that right Jasmine!

Even with the deception within the hobby I find it a much more honest environment than the real world. I put my donation down in open view of the lady. I try to be discrete when I place put it down. But some ladies get into the session before I can drop the envelope.

I typically already have the "gift" in an envelope before the date.... but generally wait until festivities are over before placing it down in plain sight. I've never had any problems with playing that way.


Asking for the "gift" ahead of time is not a very seductive beginning to an erotic fantasy! If she does... she had better be Top Shelf from that point forward!!
If she has screened me properly... she already knows there's nothing to fear.

Sadly both genders have been ripped off and it does affect their view of what is right and what is too big a risk.

I always pay up front. On very rare occasions it has cost me, but I see it as an eventual speed bump of the business. I know ladies have also been burned, and for most of them the loss of 300 or so is a much bigger issue than (fortunately) it is for me. That is my entertainment money; too often it's her rent or her kids food money. It is an area I can afford the risk much more than she can.

That said, getting cheated never feels good. I've been fortunate--last time was in San Antonio probably 6 years back. I hope I keep riding that good fortune.

The worst thing that happened to me in all my working years was a client left me an envelope with what appeared to be six bills in it, I assumed each bill was a hundred since it was for a two hour appointment. After he left and I opened the envelope....he had left six bills all right. Six ONE dollar bills. But that was my fault for not counting it discreetly when he was in the shower.

This was before we had references and sites like P411.

I really don't see the purpose of an envelope, I just use cash. No need for her to wonder when she can see it versus a disguised envelope that she's gonna tear up and leave in the room anyway.

Maybe if I fold her donation into origami pieces bill by bill she might remember me better for a reference...........it gives her time to count and makes for a better presentation than an envelope. Any takers? Lol

I agree, NO envelopes... sorry Ava

If I have seen the girl before and we got along I purposely pay at the end. If she trust me to pay her at the end then I know we have a good connection. If she requires it upfront again I always pay but keep that in the back of my mind for future dates. I always pay upfront on a first session and have been very lucky to have no one rip me off ever