How do you identify real "independent" providers?

They will have "Independent Provider" tattoos. Originally Posted by bojulay

Yes, it's a crown to symbolize that they're Queens of their destiny.

kinda reminds me of the "PIMPS" thread.
http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=1049033

I don't get why it matters so much to everyone. If the pimp is UTR, does not employ underage girls, does not treat the women bad, then who cares? ... I just don't get it. Originally Posted by Barrymccockinner

if it doesnt matter, then it doesnt matter!

but if she has a pimp and (s)he is abusing her, then it does matter, at least to the woman involved (cue up story on human trafficking or white slavery). even some hollywood stars, women's groups and LGBT groups are picketing the beverly hills hotel over the sultan of brunei's recent proclamation about adulters and homosexuals.

the question is - does it matter to you if a provider has a pimp? (generic you)
if so, go visit someone else and/or do something about the situation.

note: imho, their is a big difference between a pimp, a manager, and a booking agent.

independent's use appartments
Originally Posted by BossyWillson

i disagree

I'm still learning but I've come to realize I want to stick to true independent providers. Maybe I'm being naive in my quest for dolphin safe tuna, but it makes me feel better. Are there clues that help identify true independents?

These are some of the clues I work off of, but clearly none of them are a golden rule. In the end it's a gut feeling.

1. 9 to 5 working hours.
2. Work out of a private incall
3. Responses are usually "off hours."
4. If they do respond on hours they usually are logged on to eccie or P411. I assume they're answering PMs, emails, and texts between appointments.
5. Their ads are glitter free.
6. They're very active on eccie. Originally Posted by modus

Your list is interesting to say the least.

1. I have a job but I work from home most of the time. I get on ECCIE when I need a distraction throughout the day, and can be available for appointments with enough notice.

2. I don't work enough to keep a private incall. If you're making the assumption that a lady will entertain you at her home, you are sadly mistaken. It could be said that pimped girls would be into apartment sharing. But that would be an assumption. And there are independent ladies who work full time as escorts.

3. Emails are available on phones, in which it takes two seconds to reply. Replying to emails and PM's during off hours could also be a sign of a high volume girl. Again, another assumption.

5. There is no accounting for taste. A lot of ladies are young, or just have sparkly personalities. But sparkly ads are just meant to grab your attention.

6. I would consider myself an active participant of this site, but I don't advertise much. Because of my fluctuating availability, I only advertise when I have the time.

While I applaud your search for dolphin safe tuna (that made me laugh), I must agree there is no fool proof way to know if a lady is pimped. You should concentrate on meeting a lady that makes you comfortable, from the introductory email to the time you leave. There's nothing like a woman who loves what she does...

Your list is interesting to say the least.
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While I applaud your search for dolphin safe tuna (that made me laugh), I must agree there is no fool proof way to know if a lady is pimped. You should concentrate on meeting a lady that makes you comfortable, from the introductory email to the time you leave. There's nothing like a woman who loves what she does...

Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

^^^^^^^^^^ what she said!!!!!

Your list is interesting to say the least.


While I applaud your search for dolphin safe tuna (that made me laugh), I must agree there is no fool proof way to know if a lady is pimped. You should concentrate on meeting a lady that makes you comfortable, from the introductory email to the time you leave. There's nothing like a woman who loves what she does...

Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

Thanks, that was nicely written . I knew it would be easy to punch holes into things I've noticed. There is no hard fast rule, and I'm certainly not a detective. I was just listing some tendencies I've noticed with providers I've seen who I believe are independent. Half the independents I've seen so far work in hotels.

The glitter part was a bad joke.

I'm still learning but I've come to realize I want to stick to true independent providers. Maybe I'm being naive in my quest for dolphin safe tuna, but it makes me feel better. Are there clues that help identify true independents?

These are some of the clues I work off of, but clearly none of them are a golden rule. In the end it's a gut feeling.

1. 9 to 5 working hours.
2. Work out of a private incall
3. Responses are usually "off hours."
4. If they do respond on hours they usually are logged on to eccie or P411. I assume they're answering PMs, emails, and texts between appointments.
5. Their ads are glitter free.
6. They're very active on eccie. Originally Posted by modus

I actually DO believe these to be true, at least when I read it, all hit perfectly for me (an independent provider). Js

You'll never be able to tell, Bro. Why even try? Originally Posted by str8.2.bbbj

Why do you dig chicks with huge asses? It doesn't matter why, it's just a guy's preference, for whatever reason.

I stay away from girls that seem to be available 24/7, show up in W&I out of nowhere, look or claim to be 18-21, only post ads, travel a lot, usually with another girl, and working out of hotels in areas that are known to be hotbeds of such activity (75/635, north FW, etc).

It ain't a perfect system, but it's better than throwing a dart at a dart board.

As I only book with ladies I have met socially first, I doubt many of those ladies are pimped. Pimps are not going to to allow otc meetings.

refusing to meet me orc first does not mean they are pimped by any means. Just that those who do are not. It is more of a negative indicator not a positive one.

Why do you dig chicks with huge asses? It doesn't matter why, it's just a guy's preference, for whatever reason.

I stay away from girls that seem to be available 24/7, show up in W&I out of nowhere, look or claim to be 18-21, only post ads, travel a lot, usually with another girl, and working out of hotels in areas that are known to be hotbeds of such activity (75/635, north FW, etc).

It ain't a perfect system, but it's better than throwing a dart at a dart board. Originally Posted by TinMan

Everything you mentioned is "Observable". The whole pimp thing is not. That's a relationship status. That's like saying, "I don't see providers with husbands/boyfriends/SOs."

How would you know? I'm not knocking anyone's preference. I'm just saying that there are something's you won't actually know unless you "know".

And for the record, I'm attracted to ladies with varying degrees of Ass. Thank you and good hobbying, Sir.

I know how you tell!!

When you email her you make a mention of something super specific.. Or, talk about your favorite sports team.. When you get there in person you ask, "remember when I was telling you about...... " and just wait for it....

If you get a reply, odds are she is doing all of the work.
If not, well.. She is either ditzy or someone else is doing all of the work.

I actually DO believe these to be true, at least when I read it, all hit perfectly for me (an independent provider). Js Originally Posted by Jessica Jade

Jessica, You sparkle like glitter!!! So beautiful!!!!

Look for the "canceled" circle over the crown tat.

In some respects I agree with you S2B, in that it's very hard to "know", particularly with someone new to the scene. But I do know that after adopting certain rules of thumb I've reduced the number of occurrences where I found myself unknowingly meeting with a pimped provider.

Unlike my early hobby years when I never saw the same girl twice, I now establish more regular relationships, and the truth eventually comes out. Sometimes it's taken me 2 or 3 sessions before I figured it out, but eventually I do.

...and good hobbying to you as well.

Jessica, You sparkle like glitter!!! So beautiful!!!! Originally Posted by Pure Kitty Lover

Thank you!

Look for the "canceled" circle over the crown tat. Originally Posted by Prolongus

good one