IOP???? Really?

thanks for the tip, but I tried that...

I was slipping and sliding all over the place.. it was embarrassing, because everyone in J.C. Penney was watching.. Originally Posted by Chung Tran

More tequila. Its just a different type of lube.

"IOP" in my opinion is largely the responsibility of the guy. I don't want an actress. If she is having fun, I'm having fun and the "IOP" becomes real (at least for the time visiting). I'm not an actor -- if it's fun, there is no illusion on my part. Call me a dreamer if you like, but I hope for the same with the person I visit...

"IOP" in my opinion is largely the responsibility of the guy. I don't want an actress. If she is having fun, I'm having fun and the "IOP" becomes real (at least for the time visiting). I'm not an actor -- if it's fun, there is no illusion on my part. Call me a dreamer if you like, but I hope for the same with the person I visit... Originally Posted by Hotdiggity

Are you kidding me? Depends on the guy, huh? Other than showing up on time, having perfect hygiene, being respectful and last be not least, having the proper donation, what else falls on the guy to make him responsible for the IOP part? Do you know what IOP is? The provider who does IOP is being an actress and I use the term mattress actress! And depending on her skills as that actress, so is what you feel you get, either more I or P.

The hobby is suppose to be fun, and when you are BCD with a good looking provider, who otherwise would not give you the time of day, then get to hopefully have passionate sex with her, even if it is IOP, that is the most fun and why the majority of guys are in this hobby.

CBJ = 0 IOP in the first place. Originally Posted by Duthgar1976

1000+ Pass

There are different definitions for GFE and IOP depending on who you ask. IMO, neither LFK only, and CBJ are even remotely related to GFE or IOP. CFS can be, but sometimes is not nor should it be deemed GFE when there is no IOP, or God forbid, real passion. Especially since overall, the donation rates keep going up, however, the TCB/BCD skill levels are going down.


Comparatively speaking, it is better and a lot cheaper to whack off to free porn on the internet, than to see a provider BCD who clearly does not enjoy what she does. Guys know this because usually during CFS, she lays there like bump on a log, very little or no sounds either, basically giving you just a hole to stick your dick in and you do all the movements to get yourself off. You may even want to check if she is still breathing since her eyes are and have been closed nor has she even moved the entire time since you began CFS. But then, you soon realize that she is alive and well when your time is up as she ushers you to the door and collects your money! Originally Posted by davidfree986

You just described my 4 ex"s who don't live in Texas. But man could they give my bank accounts unbelievable 00000's

I agree with some of the statements made above but I don't IOP can be defined strictly by whether she does bbbj and DFK. IOP is more of an attitude than anything else. Now I'm no fan of CBJs but I have had some good ones and those that put forth the effort to make a CBJ respectable usually have pretty good IOP. I also prefer DFK to LFK but it is really about how passionate the kissing is versus how deep you can go. IOP is about being engaged in the session, not just a list of acronyms.

I agree with some of the statements made above but I don't IOP can be defined strictly by whether she does bbbj and DFK. IOP is more of an attitude than anything else. Now I'm no fan of CBJs but I have had some good ones and those that put forth the effort to make a CBJ respectable usually have pretty good IOP. I also prefer DFK to LFK but it is really about how passionate the kissing is versus how deep you can go. IOP is about being engaged in the session, not just a list of acronyms. Originally Posted by golforfish

That is true, however, that attitude of being engaged in the session/with the hobbyist for the time he is there will allow for those acronyms that most consider as required elements of IOP/GFE.

As I have said, when the hobbyist arrives on time, has great personal hygiene, is respectful of the provider and has the proper donation, it is mainly up to the provider how good the session is going to be. Perhaps it depends upon the hobbyist at least halfway, regarding the compatible factor which can be related to whether true passion or IOP is involved in the session. However, it is 100% on the provider to provide one or the other, and in a believable manner, along with at least give the hobbyist the service on her menu of services and the full time doing those services that he is paying her for.

Some guys posts lean in the direction of implying that most of the providers give shit type service or have no iop. Really? If that's true for you then what the fuck are you wasting your time hobbying for?
Only a fool throws good money after bad.
Unless you're EXAGGERATING....

I have almost seen 100 women and maybe 10 were dead fucks and maybe 5 or 6 seemed to be putting on an act a little too obviously. That's a pretty good percentage in my book.

And just for the record- you can get cbj and no kissing but still have some great FUCKING with iop/passion.

Geezus guys why so fucking negative all the time??

Maybe I have an attitude of gratitude because after an almost sex less 15 year marriage and only a couple of fucks before that....I'M FREE TO FUCK AS MANY HOT WOMEN AS I CAN!!

I'm easy to please...no hairy armpits though!

I agree with some of the statements made above but I don't IOP can be defined strictly by whether she does bbbj and DFK. IOP is more of an attitude than anything else. Now I'm no fan of CBJs but I have had some good ones and those that put forth the effort to make a CBJ respectable usually have pretty good IOP. I also prefer DFK to LFK but it is really about how passionate the kissing is versus how deep you can go. IOP is about being engaged in the session, not just a list of acronyms. Originally Posted by golforfish

Agree 100%

Totally.

I also agree that the guy has to reciprocate the passion to make the passion be there.

You have to be into the session to have the passion be there.

It's not always about what is or isn't on the menu.

I now work with Kelly TNT and she doesn't reciprocate all things with me that I do with her, yet clients love to see us together. Because we are into our client and make the session a fun and pleasurable experience for all of us.

The passion is there.

You have to be into the mindset of enjoying the time you are having, and if the girl isn't into it, then you have gone to see the wrong girl. Sometimes that happens, especially with these younger gals. (not to bash the younger gals. because it can happen with the older gals who haven't been in the biz that long)

Totally.

I also agree that the guy has to reciprocate the passion to make the passion be there.

You have to be into the session to have the passion be there.

It's not always about what is or isn't on the menu.

I now work with Kelly TNT and she doesn't reciprocate all things with me that I do with her, yet clients love to see us together. Because we are into our client and make the session a fun and pleasurable experience for all of us.

The passion is there.

You have to be into the mindset of enjoying the time you are having, and if the girl isn't into it, then you have gone to see the wrong girl. Sometimes that happens, especially with these younger gals. (not to bash the younger gals. because it can happen with the older gals who haven't been in the biz that long) Originally Posted by tntangie

The guy would have to be dead to not feel the passion with you two.

That is a huge compliment caleb. Thank you!

You just described my 4 ex"s who don't live in Texas. But man could they give my bank accounts unbelievable 00000's Originally Posted by doug_dfw

Yes, current and exs are always going to be draining you, mentally and financially, that is the way it is in the RW, which is why guys turn to providers to hopefully escape that bullshit, if only an hour at a time.

Some guys posts lean in the direction of implying that most of the providers give shit type service or have no iop. Really? If that's true for you then what the fuck are you wasting your time hobbying for?
Only a fool throws good money after bad.
Unless you're EXAGGERATING....

I have almost seen 100 women and maybe 10 were dead fucks and maybe 5 or 6 seemed to be putting on an act a little too obviously. That's a pretty good percentage in my book.

And just for the record- you can get cbj and no kissing but still have some great FUCKING with iop/passion.

Geezus guys why so fucking negative all the time??

Maybe I have an attitude of gratitude because after an almost sex less 15 year marriage and only a couple of fucks before that....I'M FREE TO FUCK AS MANY HOT WOMEN AS I CAN!!

I'm easy to please...no hairy armpits though! Originally Posted by nicholas linnear

I do not see where anyone said most providers do bad sessions, but in all honesty, many providers do below average or worse sessions and it is well documented, not to mention the ones who guys will not say anything about their experience for fear of reprisal from the provider and/or her WKs as well as other bullshit drama. A few bad sessions is a few too many IMO.

You have seen almost 100? well, for easy math purposes, let's say you have seen right at 100 and of those ladies and per your numbers, 10 were dead fucks and 5 were too obvious they were acting. Of course, looking at your reviews you have done, I do not see any "No" recommendations so either dead fucks and obvious fakers are fine with you and you also recommend others to see those ladies to more than likely get the same treatment or you did not review those ladies, probably for the reasons I have said in the above paragraph. In any event, that would be 85% good or better sessions for you, which is a good ratio, but let me ask you this, of those other 15 providers, did they give you a discount for the sub par performances or did you have to pay 100% of their donation?

There was a recent review that informs this discussion:
http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=1442816&highlight=
The girl seems to have done pretty much what was expected of her, but the overall experience was quite depressing. IOP isn't measured in terms of activities alone, but activities PLUS a certain "X" factor that includes warmth, buoyancy, conversational ability, and a lot more intangible stuff I don't even know how to describe. But I know IOP when I see it. And I go back to girls who excel at it again. And again. And again.

Totally.

I also agree that the guy has to reciprocate the passion to make the passion be there.

You have to be into the session to have the passion be there.

It's not always about what is or isn't on the menu.

I now work with Kelly TNT and she doesn't reciprocate all things with me that I do with her, yet clients love to see us together. Because we are into our client and make the session a fun and pleasurable experience for all of us.

The passion is there.

You have to be into the mindset of enjoying the time you are having, and if the girl isn't into it, then you have gone to see the wrong girl. Sometimes that happens, especially with these younger gals. (not to bash the younger gals. because it can happen with the older gals who haven't been in the biz that long) Originally Posted by tntangie

oh god yes, I dont mean that its all up to her. Thing is if im giving it my all and shes like oh yes there u got it oh baby ur the king. ima get dressed and ask her to leave and cry myself to sleep.

Why i try to do as much research as possible. some ladies dont like me doing that becasue im a time waster yet im just making sure we dont want to walk away before the session is over casue we cant stand each other.