let's get it out in the open

This is why I book through p411 if possible.Eccie is just to see if they are that I had I mind.This is why reviews need to be as honest as possible.

As all of my clients and fellow providers already know, I am extremely reference friendly. Free of charge. I am always happy to verify any client that i have seen for other providers as well as give permission to these clients to use me as a reference. This applies whether I've seen you 2 weeks or 2 years ago. If its been A long time since I've seen him I inform the provider the date. Simple as that. As a provider, I understand the importance of wanting to feel safe and comfortable with the clients they choose to see. I don't see this as an opportunity to bill a client who has already donated to me. A small act of kindness is no inconvenience to me especially in regards to a providers safety. To some this may not be common sense, but to me it just common courtesy. The same courtesy many others have promptly provided me. I would suggest all providers everywhere to do the same BC if we don't look out for each other who else will? Kinda greedy IMO

Perfectly said Dahlia, and i agree

Good to know you are reference friendly Dahlia, especially since I’ve seen you more than any other provider in the last several months.

I would like to give a special shout out to Serenity XXX and Dahlia Doll. Thank to two lovely ladies for allowing me to use you two as references! I hadn't seen Serenity for atleast 3yrs and she still vouched for me! Thank you ladies!

This reference issue has become a problem for no reason. I still believe in the slogan "Membership has its privileges". I have been a member since 2012, somewhat active on the boards and have verified reviews. Is there a particular reason that providers don't use these items in place as references?

I think most do, i have never had an issue.

Quite simply this reference issue has been building for some time and i have mentioned issues with it before

On the surface (none that have posted in this post prior to my post are guilty..) but others on this board will claim all day in public viewing areas that they are reference friendly..but many of us know the truth. They say these things in public areas so hobbyist will continue spending money with them not realizing the long term ramifications...once again no names mentioned so far are guilty and have always been helpful to my knowledge bit there is 1 or 2 well knowns that are known for blocking

As far as "board presence" being a way to screen..longevity..tenure..rev iews mean nothing anymore. Many guys are qriting bs reviews as lapdogs. Others embellish to help the providers. In the past board presence ment something but no so much anymore

Few yrs back a pretty active hobbyist had flipped and no one knew. And bust occurred as a result of the compromised account. Whether working together or unknowingly..references were provided by providers that had seen this standup guy. 2 of those providers are still amongst us and trouble seems to follow them(no i wont name them..figure it out)

References work great in big markets and even here with girls who arent jealous or have an agenda to stay relevant..NWA for most is a no fly zone for traveling ladies if they solely rely on refernces..for good reason..nothing good will come out of making it known your seeing hobbyist in NWA unless you operate with alternstive screening not relying on troublesome providers

I suggest anyone that knows of ladies asking for money for references put it on blast so guys know who to avoid. You should NOT be forced to spend more money ovee what u did to see provider #1..especially if u was a good hobbyist to them

Screening is a slippery slope. Some of you make the mistake of handing deadly info to women who dont have your best interest at heart. Remember guys..single or not you have wayyyy more to lose..guard your info and start refusing to give anything that could identify you as anyone other than john fucking doe...thats when provier references will carry weight again. But providers asking for names and employment etc etc is merely setting u up to be manipulated later

We all know who has those requirements despite claims

Always have been reference friendly and always will be !
Like dahlia said we have to stick together ladies !
It does make everyone feel more comfortable and for us woman to know how the gentleman treated their last lovely woman!
Ladies I’m always reference friendly an always will be !
If it has been a while since I have seen him and I don’t have his number saved I will need some info about when we met ! Like if he had a certain truck or dog or if something specific happened that I would remember !!
But I always love to share sharing is caring !
P.m me anytime but ladies I do check my text faster than my p.ms!

I assume this is another issue that's rendered irrelevant by p411, because I haven't had a hint of trouble with screening or additional fees despite having fewer references available to give than most gentlemen here.

On the subject of "who has more to lose" from giving out info: both parties could be scammed, blackmailed, arrested, etc...but unlike the ladies, I don't have any serious fear of being raped and murdered by some creep with no financial or legal motive.

(Not an argument for or against reference fees, just something to keep in mind if anyone starts feeling resentful about security measures in general)

Good evening ladies & gentlemen

First and foremost, I am very reference friendly and I do not charge a fee for the refer!
Greed gets you absolutely nowhere, but you can't tell that to the providers that do charge that fee.
Although it might be/ has been a little time consuming, I would "re-screen" the Gents to avoid them having to pay a fee.

As i said..the most this thread will come to be now is a public "im reference friendly guys" as is the usual case with this subject in public...however there is a legitimate issue with the reference process that starts and ends with many lying providers

As far as who has what to lose as i mentioned and warden followed up in..wk's need not champion the meek providers here

Fact is women are putting themselves out there to sale pussy as a profession and means to pay bills. Guys spend money for fun..alot of risk in doing business should be rightfully placed on the women wishing to earn a living. Per giy fucked..violence against professional ladies is rare. However info guys use to see said ladies being used against him to manipulate him is far more the norm. The guy never knows the girls real name..info etc.. however guys are often expected to give all that info..info thwt could potentially ruin his life..risk of having fun??? Fuck anyone who uses that theory

I have a tattoo that has been a great asset. Hope everyone has enjoyed the ride WA.

I want to thank all who have responded. I was just wanting information. I will admit that I do NOW have a better understanding of the work the ladies put in to help all parties involved with screening. I was guilty of not really understanding that it was a daily chore. GUILTY.

I can also see if you are a long time provider, with lots of reviews, it could be even more of a time consuming issue.

Good references are valuable. I have a few reviews, but many of the reviewed girls are gone, so my older reviews, do not help me, provide good recent references.

I do NOT think it is a simple issue, but I do NOW have some better understanding.

NOW with a better understanding, I shall in the future be even more appreciative when a provider, assists/ helps me by providing a reference. Many ladies have helped me in the past with references, and to those I NEED to say "THANK YOU".

I probably should shut up. But in closing, MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL BE MORE!!! APPRECIATIVE OF EACH OTHER. I will be more appreciative of any lady I see in the future, and maybe the lady will appreciate me a bit more too. peace out

Couldn’t be as bad as what I got when I first started the hobby. I requested to see A girl on eecie, and then she asked for my providers. Fair enough, so I gave her the info. And she told me she couldn’t get through to them. Which is funny, because I just messaged both references asking permission to use them as references. But she did agree to see me, if I met her in a public place and take her out to lunch, while charging me a separate fee for the meet and greet ON TOP of her hour donation. I’m not normally rude to girls on here, but told that one to fuck right off. Haven’t seen her on here ever since.

Ok, ummmm what did I JUST read..... exactly..


Seriously, charging for refs, I must be trippin....or something


Well,


On another note, smart ladies know multiple ways to screen a client..thus not losing money because Peggy sue got an attitude about her client seeking a new touch.

The smart ladies, simply take notes, sips her tea and moves on to plan B.