An American jailed in Russia for years, coming home.

And related to Fogel’s release with Russia there is a Whatabout worth mentioning.

Biden released Viktor Bout, the Russian arms dealer known as the “merchant of death” in exchange for Brittney Griner.

Trump got back Marc Fogel without releasing any terrorists as far as we know.
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  • Devo
  • 02-11-2025, 09:18 PM
Sadly for you, Devo, he didn't say that. Neither did Stormy. But lmk how the fanfic turns out.

So what did he give Vlad in return? Originally Posted by HDGristle


More impossible to answer questions?

Like "When did you quit beating your wife?".
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  • 02-11-2025, 09:22 PM
And Trump didn't need to add my quote, the Russkies were already aware.

Capitulation is the word you seek.
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More impossible to answer questions? Originally Posted by Devo
You kinda need to know to figure out if it was equivalent exchange

Glad he's back. Will be interesting to see at what coat.
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  • 02-11-2025, 10:12 PM
I want you to know that I am not a hero in this at all. And President Trump is a hero," Fogel said after meeting Trump.
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You kinda need to know to figure out if it was equivalent exchange

Glad he's back. Will be interesting to see at what coat. Originally Posted by HDGristle

really? who and or what did Trump give up for Fogel's return?


nothing here from the anti-Trump NY Times i can find ...


Russia Releases U.S. Prisoner After Talks With Trump Envoy

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/11/u...ed-russia.html


no matter what Trump gave in return was a better deal than Biden giving up the "Merchant of Death" for Brittany Griner

yes?
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Really does depend on what he gave up
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Really does depend on what he gave up Originally Posted by HDGristle

sorry .. Biden already gave up "The Merchant of Death" .. who else is worse for Trump to fess up?
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  • 02-11-2025, 10:34 PM
sorry .. Biden already gave up "The Merchant of Death" .. who else is worse for Trump to fess up? Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
You know, that's a good question.

What could Trump offer the Ogliarch who controls 1/6 th of the world?

Caviar? Nope.

Cham Pag Nee, guessing not.

Gold?

How much could you really move in a diplomatic transaction, even on Air Force One?

So what is worth more than gold?
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Save ur posting devo, guys like ona and hd can find fault with anything trump does. They could be attacked by a grizzley bear and if trump shot the bear and saved them, they would bitch it was animal cruelty Originally Posted by chizzy
Yeah, the forum is basically an ona-hd circle jerk lately. Reddit with some hoe reviews.
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So it WAS a prisoner swap.

The Russians get Alexander Vinnik back. Convicted money launderer and crypto fraudster.

https://www.wtae.com/article/marc-fo...ussia/63770182

On the plus side it was nice to see Fogel holding an Iron City standing next to Trumpybear
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Yeah, the forum is basically an ona-hd circle jerk lately. Reddit with some hoe reviews. Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

You mean you aren't at all curious as to what was given or promised to russia in exchange for the prisoner?


Would it be fine if we gave them some working ICBMs, just to get the guy home? Or a guarantee that trump will bail from NATO when putin decides to go further west?


Come on, think.
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  • 02-12-2025, 05:04 PM
The US gave up a Russian convicted of financial crimes, not the "Lord of War".
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  • 02-12-2025, 05:06 PM
You mean you aren't at all curious as to what was given or promised to russia in exchange for the prisoner?


Would it be fine if we gave them some working ICBMs, just to get the guy home? Or a guarantee that trump will bail from NATO when putin decides to go further west?


Come on, think. Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

I do.

It's why I have no response to silly questions.