the Oval Office fiasco

Using rhetoric about physical action without being willing to use physical action is what helps make it a fiasco. Certain low course sycophants get to rah rah while the reality is that we know that the guy who is actually in a war looks smaller.

Same reason they picked on the suit issue. They couldn't punch their way out of a paper bag but want to protect strength. Instead they look like mean girls while telling Z to be nice to a killer and actual dictator. Originally Posted by HDGristle

When that Killer and actual Dictator has a gun cocked and holding it against the back of your head, your options become pretty scarce.
That is exactly what President Trump was explaining to Zelensky.

No, that's just you providing another faux physical intimidation metaphor to justify the fiasco

My favorite part of the fiasco is when zelensky called jd a " suka"
Trumpf regime is looking very weak now

My favorite part of the fiasco is when zelensky called jd a " suka"
Trumpf regime is looking very weak now Originally Posted by winn dixie

Trump looks like the adult here. Zelensky the dictator (who suspended elections, that makes him a dictator by the left's own definition) got told NO, and then threw his usual hissy fit. Zelensky is the one at fault for this war continuing. HE refused any deal. Zelensky looks very weak now. Can't even dress appropriately for a meeting with the President.

Trump looks like the adult here. Zelensky the dictator (who suspended elections, that makes him a dictator by the left's own definition) got told NO, and then threw his usual hissy fit. Zelensky is the one at fault for this war continuing. HE refused any deal. Zelensky looks very weak now. Can't even dress appropriately for a meeting with the President. Originally Posted by Lantern2814

You do realize it was trumpf and suka were the ones throwing the hissy fit right! That's the fiasco

No, that's just you providing another faux physical intimidation metaphor to justify the fiasco Originally Posted by HDGristle

You do realize it was trumpf and suka were the ones throwing the hissy fit right! That's the fiasco Originally Posted by winn dixie

it was a fiasco for Ukraine and the punk boy Zelenskky


that punk had one job ... kiss the papal ring and not say anything stupid. he fucked up bigly now he'll really have to kiss Trump's ass or learn Russian

If you can keep your calm when all about you are in a panic...you don't understand the situation.

Trump is trying to cut deal that will save lives. Ukrainian and Russian lives. Anyone have a problem with that goal?

If Russia does not pull out of their own accord to the 2022 or 2014 borders what do you armchair generals want to do?

Putin has said that he does not want Ukraine in NATO because he fears NATO. Ukraine lobbied to come into NATO and Putin saw that as a provocation. Add the fact that Biden bringing everyone into NATO including Hunter.

We don't know what was worked out because these things are agreed on ahead of time but Zelensky had to show his ass. This was not Pennsylvania during the election, this was the Oval Office with the winner of the election.

Trump was promoting a US interest in the rare earth minerals that we do need for defense. At a discount which is good for us. Ukraine would get a profitable new sector industry to help rebuild their country. Having Americans in the country is a trip wire to Putin and his ambitions.

Like it or not, Putin paid for that territory with blood and treasure. He can't just give it all up. He can give up strategically unimportant territory. Remember, as it stands Putin has won. His troops stand on the ground.

This is a chance to end the war and the killing. If you want that goal then you have to give Trump his chance. They used to say that politics ends at the waters edge. Meaning only one person speaks for the USA. That ended in 2001. The democrats were all onboard going after the Taliban but within six months they were sniping at Bush like an Islamic terrorist.

You're looking for an off ramp. I am looking for a better off ramp.

The minerals deal is a red herring because the proven reserves, value, access is already suspect and overly bullish. And Trump's messaging about it has been terrible. He's got 2 left feet in this dance and won't be in power when we realize he was overly bullish

https://www.barrons.com/articles/ukr...trump-42f7e640

If he really wants peace, he'd drop his own fake alpha posturing and work with our allies to give Ukraine the security assurances it needs, even if they lose some territory.

He's not even dangling carrots for Ukraine. It's pretty much all stick and condescension while reserving carrots and cake for dear Vlad and letting his Veep off the leash to shit on Vlad's adversary in front of Vlad's media.

If you can keep your calm when all about you are in a panic...you don't understand the situation.

Trump is trying to cut deal that will save lives. Ukrainian and Russian lives. Anyone have a problem with that goal?

If Russia does not pull out of their own accord to the 2022 or 2014 borders what do you armchair generals want to do?

Putin has said that he does not want Ukraine in NATO because he fears NATO. Ukraine lobbied to come into NATO and Putin saw that as a provocation. Add the fact that Biden bringing everyone into NATO including Hunter.

We don't know what was worked out because these things are agreed on ahead of time but Zelensky had to show his ass. This was not Pennsylvania during the election, this was the Oval Office with the winner of the election.

Trump was promoting a US interest in the rare earth minerals that we do need for defense. At a discount which is good for us. Ukraine would get a profitable new sector industry to help rebuild their country. Having Americans in the country is a trip wire to Putin and his ambitions.

Like it or not, Putin paid for that territory with blood and treasure. He can't just give it all up. He can give up strategically unimportant territory. Remember, as it stands Putin has won. His troops stand on the ground.

This is a chance to end the war and the killing. If you want that goal then you have to give Trump his chance. They used to say that politics ends at the waters edge. Meaning only one person speaks for the USA. That ended in 2001. The democrats were all onboard going after the Taliban but within six months they were sniping at Bush like an Islamic terrorist. Originally Posted by Schwarzer Ritter

Like I said in another post.
The Liberal Left would rather see the entire world pushed into WW-3 and the killing continue rather than admit President Trump is right.

TDS it seems has no boundaries.

Like I said in another post.
The Liberal Left would rather see the entire world pushed into WW-3 and the killing continue rather than admit President Trump is right.

TDS it seems has no boundaries. Originally Posted by Jacky S

Udder nonsense
I don't believe you believe what you posted.
Anyone that's watched that video can see trumpf and suka humiliated themselves. Wearing our stance Worldwide. Fiasco? No Shitshow

Time to get your eyes checked. Can I say that? Its not like I'm saying you have a STD, but eyesight or lack there of is a medical condition. The only thing that you see like that is a colon.

Udder nonsense
I don't believe you believe what you posted.
Anyone that's watched that video can see trumpf and suka humiliated themselves. Wearing our stance Worldwide. Fiasco? No Shitshow Originally Posted by winn dixie

Who mentioned cows?

On the news this morning.

Zelensky is now ready to agree on mineral rights deal, ready to negotiate.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/pal...-bull-52a1134c

On the news this morning.

Zelensky is now ready to agree on mineral rights deal, ready to negotiate.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/pal...-bull-52a1134c

Zelensky is still demanding more security, this will come from the Europeans.

President Trump is playing this beautifully. He will get the mineral rights deal, and have Western Troops guaranteeing Ukraines security.

But it WILL NOT be American Troops.

The United States of America wins.

Diplomacy and world peace is in the best interest of every human. Ukraine will never defeat Russia using US tax dollars without starting a world war.

The Biden administration started this mess by making Zelensky feel entitle and it backfired against Trump. The mineral deal will bring Putin to the table...and BTW Trump is nobodies punk. You keep your biggest enemy close. Not the way Joe Biden did. He wouldn't even talk to Putin because his war mongers told him not to.