What is your definition of Energy Independence

Enjoy paying $6.00 a gallon. There's zero reason to be paying Russia, Iran, or anyone else to produce that which we possess. Originally Posted by texassapper

You forget that beacon of freedom. Saudi Arabia

It is a world wide commodity. Jesus
When demand is high and supply is short, gas prices will be high no matter where our oil is bought.

Here is a question for all you myth loving energy independent worshippers....


Should all the oil produced in this country be refined in this country and the gas only sold in this country?

Should all the oil produced in this country be refined in this country and the gas only sold in this country? Originally Posted by WTF

Gotta feed them chickens.

Originally Posted by Precious_b

WTF, I don't know why you keep mentioning Florida. There's been no leasing offshore Florida for many years. Why was Trump supposed to change that? If the people of Florida don't want drilling more power too them. Who cares. The production would be very small compared to what we get from other areas anyway. What pisses me off is when people like Biden want to shut down the industry on federal leases in places like Wyoming, where people people overwhelmingly support the oil and gas industry and where many work in the oil patch. And when the Progressives want to shut down drilling everywhere. Originally Posted by Tiny

I brought up Florida for two reasons...hypocrisy. Fucking GOP state wants drill baby drill...except in their state. And to ask Jackie S if he agreed on their exemption.

Not everyone in Wyoming or other states want drilling or pipelines run under their property. Why should say a Indian reservation be forced to have a pipeline placed on their land?

Federal land is not your land or my land, it is our land. Elections have consequences. Personally I'm not that keen on Spindletop 2.0 being next to Old Faithful.

But I'm a Realpolitik kinda guy and you can bet your ass that when our other energy sources dry up...surfers in Florida will be dodging oil rigs and your dream to dot our pristine federal landscape with oil rigs will come true.

Originally Posted by texassapper

Talk to Reagan lovers about this debt thing....he fuc'd that up for everyone.

... But them damn stockholders don't want to cut into their profits.

... Originally Posted by Precious_b

Sorry Precious, but the ignorance of that statement is jaw-dropping.

If current coal liquefaction technology could produce fuel more cheaply than simply taking it out of the ground, Big Oil would be pouring capital into liquefaction plants. Originally Posted by lustylad

...I mentioned the shareholders.

They don't want to shovel $$$$ into R&D YET.
All about economics with a finite resource.
Let's burn it all up as soon as we can so people can move on from such pickaninny discussions.

Here is a question...

Should all the oil produced in this country be refined in this country and the gas only sold in this country? Originally Posted by WTF

I have a better question...

Should all the gas/hot air that comes out of WTF's mouth be contained and burned off here on eccie... or should it be released and allowed to pollute the rest of the world as well?

Oh thems fighting words there...our Trump lovers here in this forum are big Putin apologists. Originally Posted by WTF

So let's sum up this thread - you support Putin 100% by opposing US energy independence. You want to suppress US oil & gas production in order to keep prices high and fill up Putin's war coffers. In short, you support policies that will help finance Putin's slaughter of Ukrainians!

And you do all that because it lines your pocketbook. So tell us - how much did Putin's war boost your portfolio today? Got any numbers? E.g. "My energy holdings were up another $100k today. Thanks, Vlad!"

And you have the fucking chutzpah to start a thread accusing OTHER posters of being Putin lovers?

Talk to Reagan lovers about this debt thing....he fuc'd that up for everyone. Originally Posted by WTF

if you say so

I have a better question...

Should all the gas/hot air that comes out of WTF's mouth be contained and burned off here on eccie... or should it be released and allowed to pollute the rest of the world as well? Originally Posted by lustylad

You should close your mouth if you continue to wack off hanging upside down on the monkey bars

So let's sum up this thread - you support Putin 100% by opposing US energy independence. You want to suppress US oil & gas production in order to keep prices high and fill up Putin's war coffers. In short, you support policies that will help finance Putin's slaughter of Ukrainians!

And you do all that because it lines your pocketbook. So tell us - how much did Putin's war boost your portfolio today? Got any numbers? E.g. "My energy holdings were up another $100k today. Thanks, Vlad!"

And you have the fucking chutzpah to start a thread accusing OTHER posters of being Putin lovers? Originally Posted by lustylad

I'm not opposing energy independence. Take the dick plugs out of your ears.

I realize our production in this country are market based not quota based.

Let me check...up around 25k today.

I bought energy back in 2020 and again in December...way before this invasion.

Are you one of those liberals that want to put a special tax on current oil profits.

You sound like a confused individual....are you wanting to come out of a closet?

Are you angry that you are confused about how energy transfers work

What is the problem you are having with oil companies making money?

Let me check...up around 25k today. Originally Posted by WTF

Only 25k? That's unacceptable. You need to get on the phone with your hero Putin... tell him to increase his shelling of Kiev!

i wonder if his "oil profits" exceed the taxes he evaded paying mexicans under the table, and deducting the "cost" he claimed to have paid in cash for "day labor"

Only 25k? That's unacceptable. You need to get on the phone with your hero Putin... tell him to increase his shelling of Kiev! Originally Posted by lustylad

So all shareholders in energy stocks are Putin lovers?

Is that your thought process?

Good Lord....and folks around here think you are an economist

I'm not opposing energy independence. Originally Posted by WTF

You mocked it. You ridiculed it. You pooh-poohed it. You complained about it. You derided anyone who supports it.

But you don't oppose it?

Even your best pal is laughing at that one!



The only thing you haven't done is define it! Because that would require a modicum of intellectual rigor which a simple-minded partisan hack like you lacks.

i wonder if his "oil profits" exceed the taxes he evaded paying mexicans under the table, and deducting the "cost" he claimed to have paid in cash for "day labor" Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

Why would any homebuilder pay anyone in cash off the books. That would just show up as profit when the house sold.

Your commenting on something you know nothing Davis highlighting your ignorance once again.