Please list/mention Obama's Accomplishments

Its kind of amazing when you make a list what an immense improvement Obama has been over the Bush/Cheney hucksters that brought the US down with the help of the Fox/Limbaugh Conservative media. Unfortunately, ignorance and prejudice when amplified by right-wing disinformation has yielded the kind of responses you mostly see on this page. Obama has done everything humanly possible to turn the country around against incredible resistance, and he is doing a fantastic job. I cringe when I see another pseudo-religious, swaggering Texan might make it into the White House. Originally Posted by swizzzle

I am guessing that all the Left-wing media is non biased and only tells truthful information for both political parties. Lets just go ahead and forget about all the Osama regime that we caught on Bush's watch.

If you call high unemployment and increased government spending a fantastic job.

So would you feel the same way if the pseudo-religious, swaggering Texan was a Democrat??? LBJ was a Texas religious Democrat, Do you cringe at the mention of his name?

I am a conservative, but I am also an American. When Obama got elected I did not want him to fail, because that would mean that we all fail. I was hopeful that he would not be a politics as usual President. It is obvious that he is just another political pawn playing with all of our future for his own political power.

Think about this when you have enough money that you can buy and go wherever you want to what is left for you to gain in this world? Power! Who spends Millions of dollars for a 450k a year job???

Is this a RED LETTER DAY?

You do know that Red is the Commie color, don't you?

Is this a RED LETTER DAY?

You do know that Red is the Commie color, don't you? Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

I have used many different colors. I thought red was the warm and fuzzy color.

Is this a RED LETTER DAY?

You do know that Red is the Commie color, don't you? Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Actually it is the Commie, pinko, fag color only in this case, instead of pinko, there is a distinct red tint!

OK, Thanks a lot that means so much coming from you Carl.
Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Actually it is the Commie, pinko, fag color only in this case, instead of pinko, there is a distinct red tint! Originally Posted by bigtex

You coming over later Bigtex I hear your good at kissing ass.

Yeah, it's that same old fashioned "ground truth" that has gotten innocent Afghani's murdered:

http://www.rollingstone.com/kill-team

Woman raped and murdered in Iraq:

http://articles.cnn.com/2006-07-09/j...diya?_s=PM:LAW

Children shot by border patrol agents:

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/shoot...ry?id=10880880

...and finally my favorite, Border Patrol agents killed by weapons the ATF allowed to be purchased here and skipped across the border right in to the hands of cartel members:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20035609.shtml


If this is what you call "ground truth" and doing something for your country and your community, I'll stick to my "liberal rags", math, and statistics thank you very much.

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You truly are a walking, talking Cliche F-Sharp.
You re-locate from a State (California) where 12.4 percent of California prisoners were illegal immigrants, as compared with an estimated 6.9 percent of the state population.

First you argued that illegal aliens are NOT incarcerated at a higher rate than the population they represent. When I disprove that argument, you attack Arizona's numbers by trying to rationalize that those numbers are "skewed" because of a mass exodus of illegal aliens.
To my knowledge, California has experienced no such exodus, in fact, illegal aliens continue to pour into the state.
So let me guess. What will the excuse be for California, the failed state you left behind to take up residence in Texas? The three strikes (felony convictions)=Life sentence law perhaps? Yes, that must be it!

You call me gullible and insinuate that I get what facts I do have from Fox news and that the rest of my opinions are conjecture and bullshit. When I inform you that part of what I've come to know (such as illegals being used as drug mules to pay for their passage into the USA, which you disputed) is based on my own hands on experience working the Texas/Mexico border you THEN post the above links.

So what are you insinuating with the above links? Please tell us.
Since you like to play the statistics game, care to statistically break down the number of crimes committed by our U.S. Soldiers and Border Patrol Agents vs the number that have served???!!!
So on one hand you do your best to try to make excuses for and downplay the amount of crime that's committed by illegal aliens vs their total population in Texas, California and Arizona but then you turn right around and use a few isolated incidents involving our Soldiers and Border Patrol agents to.....point out what exactly?

Honestly F-Sharp, the only thing that could make you MORE of a walking, talking Cliche is if you stood at the airport and yelled "baby killers!" at our troops that are returning from overseas.

F-Sharp-"The fact that they were in the country illegally is not relevant to the situation. Let's say they were here legally and killed the rancher, what the fuck difference would it make? You still have a dead rancher killed by DRUG DEALERS! The fact that those drug dealers had visas or not is simply not relevant."
Your stupidity knows no bounds. The Rancher would be alive today because it is Illegal Aliens that are committing these crimes on the border. How many U.S. Citizens are crossing private Ranch Land on the Arizona/Mexico border with the intent to smuggle drugs into the USA? So whether they work for the Drug Cartels or whether they are trespassing on their own accord, it doesn't matter once they enter illegally and commit a crime. Had they not been allowed to get across, they could not have committed the crime. You have provided NO proof that he was killed by Drug Smugglers anyway, so that's simply bullshit conjecture on your part, as you like to say.
When Krentz called in his last known location to his brother, it was to report that he had come across an Illegal on his property.
Mr. Krentz had ZERO enemies OTHER than the illegals he tried to keep off his land which was well within his rights to do so. Numerous ranches in Cochise county had been broken into and vandalized by Illegals. Two days before Krentz's murder, a 9mm and a 9mm Glock had been stolen from a home in Portal. 9mm's are certainly one of the most common handgun caliber's around but Krentz was killed by a 9mm as was his dog. The fact is, if we had a secure border, Mr. Krentz would very likely be alive. Make all the excuses you want but drug trafficking and illegal aliens are directly linked when it comes to our border.

Then, best of all, in a thread about Obama's "accomplishments" you're nice enough to point out the utter DISGRACE he and his Attorney General Eric Holder were part of, by allowing the Federal Government to traffic weapons to the Mexican Drug Cartels, some of which were used in the murder of one of our ICE Agents.
Thanks for contributing the first POSITIVE and truthful information to this thread. Obama and Holder should both be held criminally accountable for allowing those weapons to be trafficked. To top it off, the ATF Supervisors that were responsible for overseeing those programs have all now been PROMOTED and transferred to Washington D.C.. One of those promoted is now in charge of overseeing the Internal Affairs Division of the ATF.
Yep, that's HOPE and CHANGE for you.

First you argued that illegal aliens are NOT incarcerated at a higher rate than the population they represent. When I disprove that argument, you attack Arizona's numbers by trying to rationalize that those numbers are "skewed" because of a mass exodus of illegal aliens. Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Yes, I did argue that and you've still not disproved it. When I showed you beyong a dounbt that statement was true nationwide, you instead changed your argument to reflect something completely different. Yes, in three states out of 50 their incarceration rates are higher than their portion of the poplation. No one ever doubted this. You simply keep wailing on the same point in an effort to deter from your original statements that turned our to be completely false.

As for Arizona specifically, there's no need to rationalize anything. The numbers are skewed based on the reasons I previously presented. It doesn't change anything. The fact is and always will be that if a state loses 17% of a portion of it's population in a relatively short time, it's going to skew the percentage of that population that is incarcerated. I don't expect you to understand, it's based on math and statistics that are above your grade level.

You call me gullible and insinuate that I get what facts I do have from Fox news and that the rest of my opinions are conjecture and bullshit. Originally Posted by DTorrchia

I said no such thing. I called you gullible based on nothing more than your unfounded opinions based in the conjecture and bullshit you post that you try to pass off as fact, when in reallity it has no basis in fact whatsoever. Has nothing to do with Fox News. At least you can cite Fox, your stories are nothing but pure fiction.

When I inform you that part of what I've come to know (such as illegals being used as drug mules to pay for their passage into the USA, which you disputed) is based on my own hands on experience working the Texas/Mexico border you THEN post the above links. Originally Posted by DTorrchia

I fail to see your point here. Again, opinion, conjecture, and bullshit based, with the possibility of some personal experience thrown in. I could tell you that having lived in the ghetto for some portion of my life that all blacks are violent. Not only would it be a completely false statement, but it would have ZERO merit being based on nothing more than conjecture and unfounded opinion. ZERO!

Additionally, you continue to focus on a VERY small subsection of illegals in a very small subsection of the country. Any observations you may or may not have are not representative of the other 99.9% of this particular group of people.

So what are you insinuating with the above links? Please tell us. Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Since you like to play the statistics game, care to statistically break down the number of crimes committed by our U.S. Soldiers and Border Patrol Agents vs the number that have served???!!!

So on one hand you do your best to try to make excuses for and downplay the amount of crime that's committed by illegal aliens vs their total population in Texas, California and Arizona but then you turn right around and use a few isolated incidents involving our Soldiers and Border Patrol agents to.....point out what exactly?
Originally Posted by DTorrchia

It doesn't matter how many. What matters is that they did it at all. You see it's pretty easy to take the self-righteous high road until someone points out a groups own imperfections. So a very small subsection of the military is committing some pretty heinous crimes. I've made excuses for neither side, and you're the only one here that brought Arizona, California, and Texas in to this discussion. Essentially disputing and debating a position I never took.

Your stupidity knows no bounds. The Rancher would be alive today because it is Illegal Aliens that are committing these crimes on the border. How many U.S. Citizens are crossing private Ranch Land on the Arizona/Mexico border with the intent to smuggle drugs into the USA? So whether they work for the Drug Cartels or whether they are trespassing on their own accord, it doesn't matter once they enter illegally and commit a crime. Had they not been allowed to get across, they could not have committed the crime. You have provided NO proof that he was killed by Drug Smugglers anyway, so that's simply bullshit conjecture on your part, as you like to say. Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Again, you're focusing in one small subsection of illegals in a very small subsection of the country. Get over it already, you lost this debate a long time ago. Pedro the Mexican border crossing drug mule has nothing to do with Oksana the Russian waitress in Buffalo who overstayed her visa.

You are correct in that we don't know who killed Krentz for certain, if was only conjecture on my part based on the few years I lived down there. I am most certain Krentz had indeed made some enemies with the Sinaloa folks over the years of shoeing them off his property, and I believe if finally caught up with him.

And of course there's these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl2_7aEi4D8

http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs6/6384/overview.htm

http://www.douglasdispatch.com/artic...2208534313.txt

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-05-..._mexico-border

http://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs40/40381/40381p.pdf

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/new...rthern-mexico/

Obama and Holder should both be held criminally accountable for allowing those weapons to be trafficked. To top it off, the ATF Supervisors that were responsible for overseeing those programs have all now been PROMOTED and transferred to Washington D.C.. One of those promoted is now in charge of overseeing the Internal Affairs Division of the ATF. Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Yep, that's HOPE and CHANGE for you. Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Wow. Obama and Holder involved in day to day border gun smuggling operations. That's awesome! You really should consider writing a novel of some sort. You're imagination is just awesome.

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Wow. Obama and Holder involved in day to day border gun smuggling operations. That's awesome! You really should consider writing a novel of some sort. You're imagination is just awesome.

Did you even bother to follow the Congressional Hearings on this?
The head of the ATF, Director Melton, testified that his superiors (Eric Holder) WERE aware of Operation "Fast and Furious" and that the Operation had their approval.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8300-31727_16...#ixzz1RXJTkKi0
Do you honestly believe that the ATF would carry out an operation that allows U.S. made weapons to be smuggled to the Mexican Drug Cartels in an effort to "track them", an international operation, WITHOUT approval of the U.S. Justice Department?
In case you're challenged as to who the ATF Director answers to...it's Eric Holder, the Attorney General of the United States.
http://www.justice.gov/agencies/index-org.html
The same Attorney General who bragged about Operation "Fast and Furious" in speeches then tried to deny when he learned of the Operation.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...gunrunner-2009
No cross-border operation of this sort would get launched without first checking out the legalities of it with the Department of Justice. The fact is Holder thought this was a good idea and bought into it. If he didn't brief Obama on the Operation then let's hear him say that. Instead he's stonewalling, refusing to cooperate with the congressional inquiries and outright lying about when he knew of Operation Fast and Furious.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...xYF8r1GobKS89M

Hillary Clinton and her dim witted followers were running around the country screaming how it was "American guns" that were responsible for all the violence by the Drug Cartels (which is bullshit to begin with as the statistics of seized weapons by the Mexican Government shows but that's for another debate) and this "tracking program" of Operation Fast and Furious was this administration's attempt to blame the violence on American made guns. Guns that THEY purposely allowed to be smuggled to the Cartels. They thought this would help them justify passing anti-gun legislation here in the U.S.

"Anti-gun activist Sarah Brady claims President Barack Obama is committed to stealth gun control according to a report in The Washington Post.
Recounting a March 30 meeting between Brady, her husband Jim and White House Press secretary Jay Carney, The Post reports:
During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.
“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

Ahhh, there's that famous transparency again that Obama promised would be the hallmark of his administration.

You F-Sharp are simply being naive on this one.

Managed to piss off many of his supporters.

Did you even bother to follow the Congressional Hearings on this?
The head of the ATF, Director Melton, testified that his superiors (Eric Holder) WERE aware of Operation "Fast and Furious" and that the Operation had their approval.
Do you honestly believe that the ATF would carry out an operation that allows U.S. made weapons to be smuggled to the Mexican Drug Cartels in an effort to "track them", an international operation, WITHOUT approval of the U.S. Justice Department? Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Of course not. F&F was the brain child of a political appointee who thought it would make him (maybe her, but not bloody likely) look like a genius and maybe get a promotion. Higher up the food chain everybody said "oh fuck yeah, this will make me look like a genius and maybe get promoted." There's a point in ANY food chain like this (corporate or bureaucratic) where people start signing without looking. Look at some of the laws that have been passed over the years where the President and most of Congress says "I didn't know that was in there."

In case you're challenged as to who the ATF Director answers to...it's Eric Holder, the Attorney General of the United States.
http://www.justice.gov/agencies/index-org.html
The same Attorney General who bragged about Operation "Fast and Furious" in speeches then tried to deny when he learned of the Operation.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...gunrunner-2009
No cross-border operation of this sort would get launched without first checking out the legalities of it with the Department of Justice. The fact is Holder thought this was a good idea and bought into it. If he didn't brief Obama on the Operation then let's hear him say that. Instead he's stonewalling, refusing to cooperate with the congressional inquiries and outright lying about when he knew of Operation Fast and Furious.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...xYF8r1GobKS89M

Hillary Clinton and her dim witted followers were running around the country screaming how it was "American guns" that were responsible for all the violence by the Drug Cartels (which is bullshit to begin with as the statistics of seized weapons by the Mexican Government shows but that's for another debate) and this "tracking program" of Operation Fast and Furious was this administration's attempt to blame the violence on American made guns. Guns that THEY purposely allowed to be smuggled to the Cartels. They thought this would help them justify passing anti-gun legislation here in the U.S. Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Anyone notice the woman that got 30 years for running a straw purchase plan with damn near her whole family? 20 people convicted or pleading guilty. One other person, a Zeta boss, will never be tried. You know how they were caught? Guy in the parking lot at Cabela's saw five people loading AK's into the woman's car. ATF? Nope, a citizen. He told the Cabela's manager, who pulled the paperwork. All legal sales, but he contacted the ATF, who stalked her for a month.

"Anti-gun activist Sarah Brady claims President Barack Obama is committed to stealth gun control according to a report in The Washington Post.
Recounting a March 30 meeting between Brady, her husband Jim and White House Press secretary Jay Carney, The Post reports:
During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.
“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”
Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Was this before or after Brady complained that Obama wasn't doing enough?

There's been a run on small rifle primers (.223 and 7.62x39) and small pistol primers ( 9mm and .40 S&W). But, it turns out it's not "us", it's the DoD and DoJ. Or actually the folks supplying the ammo. I have 2000 of the former and 5000 minus what I loaded this weekend of the latter.

Ahhh, there's that famous transparency again that Obama promised would be the hallmark of his administration.

You F-Sharp are simply being naive on this one. Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Obama's a lawyer. You know the rule and lawyers and lying.

I need to make a correction to the below paragraph. ATF Director Melton gave testimony that to his knowledge Attorney General Holder did not know but that the operation was approved by the United States Attorney for the District of Arizona which falls under Holder's Department of Justice but also says that that Holder's department is "obstructing the congressional investigation".
"The agents said they complained vociferously about the operation to superiors. Eventually, a “schism” between team members developed over whether the tactics being used were wise or even legal."
ATF Agent Dodson Dodson said he was told “the U.S. Attorney is on board, and it was Mr. [Emory] Hurley, and they say there is nothing illegal going on.”

Did you even bother to follow the Congressional Hearings on this?
The head of the ATF, Director Melton, testified that his superiors (Eric Holder) WERE aware of Operation "Fast and Furious" and that the Operation had their approval.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8300-31727_16...#ixzz1RXJTkKi0
Do you honestly believe that the ATF would carry out an operation that allows U.S. made weapons to be smuggled to the Mexican Drug Cartels in an effort to "track them", an international operation, WITHOUT approval of the U.S. Justice Department?
In case you're challenged as to who the ATF Director answers to...it's Eric Holder, the Attorney General of the United States.
http://www.justice.gov/agencies/index-org.html
The same Attorney General who bragged about Operation "Fast and Furious" in speeches then tried to deny when he learned of the Operation.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...gunrunner-2009
No cross-border operation of this sort would get launched without first checking out the legalities of it with the Department of Justice. The fact is Holder thought this was a good idea and bought into it. If he didn't brief Obama on the Operation then let's hear him say that. Instead he's stonewalling, refusing to cooperate with the congressional inquiries and outright lying about when he knew of Operation Fast and Furious.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...xYF8r1GobKS89M

Hillary Clinton and her dim witted followers were running around the country screaming how it was "American guns" that were responsible for all the violence by the Drug Cartels (which is bullshit to begin with as the statistics of seized weapons by the Mexican Government shows but that's for another debate) and this "tracking program" of Operation Fast and Furious was this administration's attempt to blame the violence on American made guns. Guns that THEY purposely allowed to be smuggled to the Cartels. They thought this would help them justify passing anti-gun legislation here in the U.S.

"Anti-gun activist Sarah Brady claims President Barack Obama is committed to stealth gun control according to a report in The Washington Post.
Recounting a March 30 meeting between Brady, her husband Jim and White House Press secretary Jay Carney, The Post reports:
During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.
“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

Ahhh, there's that famous transparency again that Obama promised would be the hallmark of his administration.

You F-Sharp are simply being naive on this one. Originally Posted by DTorrchia

"On his watch?" Listen, folks. Barack Hussein Obama KILLED Osama Bin Laden, the same way Osama Bin Laden killed 3,000 innocent people on 9/11: went to some meetings, weighed various options, and gave the order. That's how military leaders kill people.

Can't have it both ways: either both of them are killers, or neither one is.

How about this for Obamacare.....

ObamaCare = 10% to Lose Health Care Coverage?!
Nearly one in 10 midsize or large employers expects to stop offering health coverage to workers once federal insurance exchanges start in 2014

http://tinyurl.com/3cyg7q2

Obama 2009: "Let me be exactly clear... if you've got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan."

http://tinyurl.com/lcj7b3

How about this for Obamacare.....

ObamaCare = 10% to Lose Health Care Coverage?!
Nearly one in 10 midsize or large employers expects to stop offering health coverage to workers once federal insurance exchanges start in 2014

http://tinyurl.com/3cyg7q2

Obama 2009: "Let me be exactly clear... if you've got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan."

http://tinyurl.com/lcj7b3 Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Now go and do some actual research as to why those companies might be planning to drop their coverage and what's required of them if they do. Hint: It might be cheaper for some companies to provide a subsidie and allow their employees to use the exchanges than it is for them to provide the plans themselves. I won't even tell you the portion of what my company currently pays for my plan, but I will tell you...it's a lot of fucking money and keeps going up just about every year. I will also tell you I've had this plan far longer than Obama has been in office.

Here's a very appropriately named site to get you started:

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...insurance.html