Please list/mention Obama's Accomplishments

Now go and do some actual research as to why those companies might be planning to drop their coverage and what's required of them if they do. Hint: It might be cheaper for some companies to provide a subsidie and allow their employees to use the exchanges than it is for them to provide the plans themselves. I won't even tell you the portion of what my company currently pays for my plan, but I will tell you...it's a lot of fucking money and keeps going up just about every year. I will also tell you I've had this plan far longer than Obama has been in office.

Here's a very appropriately named site to get you started:

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...insurance.html Originally Posted by F-Sharp

Actually it is cheaper for them to pay the fine. So I guess if you are happy with what you currently have, but it is now cheaper to pay the fine and let your employees go to the exchanges. The employee now is getting a sub par insurance and has to pay more. Thanks a lot Obama!

Actually it is cheaper for them to pay the fine. So I guess if you are happy with what you currently have, but it is now cheaper to pay the fine and let your employees go to the exchanges. The employee now is getting a sub par insurance and has to pay more. Thanks a lot Obama! Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

You just stepped in it again Wyldeman. What the fuck does Obama have to do with it? And don't think you're going to get out of answering this question either.

There's no reason for an employer to drop your coverage other than your employer wanting to fuck you in the ass without any lube. Those exchanges were set up for the most needy, not for employers to drop your coverage and line their pockets. Other than guilt, there's nothing stopping them now from dropping your coverage either, they just didn't have any options before. I guess this way, they can feel slightly less guilty about it.

Have either one of you read the entire health care Bill?????? I do not mean the first page and the last page. I am not talking about reading a short excerpt from a web page. Did you read all 2K+ pages???

Greedy employer that is rich they take risk open a business and create jobs. The biggest expense is payroll, and you call them greedy.

Have either one of you read the entire health care Bill?????? I do not mean the first page and the last page. I am not talking about reading a short excerpt from a web page. Did you read all 2K+ pages???

Greedy employer that is rich they take risk open a business and create jobs. The biggest expense is payroll, and you call them greedy. Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Just answer the question please. You ain't getting out of it.

Greedy employer that is rich they take risk open a business and create jobs. The biggest expense is payroll, and you call them greedy. Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

DO YOU HONESTLY EXPECT THIS GUY COULD GET THROUGH ANY PIECE OF LEGISLATION WITHOUT ANIME?

Sorry, man, just calling it like I see it. If you're not willing to do the work, then don't be the jerk!

I am willing to bet a million neither of you two have read that fucking piece of shit legislation. F you have never answered my question from way back.. Have you ever owned a business. If you are so fucking brilliant. I want to know have you ever had the balls to own your own business.

I am willing to bet a million neither of you two have read that fucking piece of shit legislation. F you have never answered my question from way back.. Have you ever owned a business. If you are so fucking brilliant. I want to know have you ever had the balls to own your own business. Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Yes, I have read it. Not cover to cover, but main talking points and there's nothing shit about it as far as I can see. Yes, I have started and run a business, several in fact during my lifetime. Now, answer the question.

I'm a business owner. I think you'll find plenty of business owners here.

I've been a business owner since 1987. Before that I figured everybody else was full of chit. Since then, I've come to find out I was right!

I think all of you are full of shit.

If you have not read it cover to cover then you have not read it in its entirety. As you said you have read the talking points.

I happen to know that there are a lot of one man shows in Austin. That means 1 employee is the owner and he calls it a business.

Small business owners are going to have a hard time offering health insurance and there main concern is being able to make payroll. I think that is more important than health insurance, which is being able to feed and shelter your family. These small business owners are close to the employees and with added cost of government mandated health insurance they may have to let one or two employees go. That is the last thing they want to do. Considering there are a lot of small businesses out there that will add up to a lot more unemployment.

As far as answering your question I do not have to as far as I know you just lied to me anyway. Who cares??? If I even took the time to post up references to my point and had facts and figures to support it you still would want to argue. Obama care is not going to be good and the majority or the US thinks so. The only ones that do not are the ultra liberal zealots like yourself. So when it gets implement to full capacity and the shit hits the fan how you gonna spin it??? Who you gonna blame???? I am sure it will be conservatives fault. So again who gives a flying shit about what you have to say except your own left wing nutjobs.

Yes, I have read it. Not cover to cover, but main talking points and there's nothing shit about it as far as I can see. Yes, I have started and run a business, several in fact during my lifetime. Now, answer the question. Originally Posted by F-Sharp

On the topic of questions. May I ask one of my own?
Where were you last night F-Sharp? You see, I proceeded to Hardtails at the exact time I told you I would be there. I sat at the main bar wearing exactly what I had described to you. (Please don't pull a "no you weren't there", lest I have to attach my bar tab here with the name of Hardtails along with the date and time stamp on it)
I sat there from 8-10pm. Yet, low and behold you never showed your face. Why?
I'm simply curious what drives people on the internet to feel like they can say anything they want in any manner they choose. Yeah, I know, freedom of speech. Freedom of Speech has always been one of the great hallmarks of our country. However, in the past, it was usually accompanied by something called "personal responsibility". In other words, prior to the internet, people understood that their speech could also have consequences. They were free to say anything they wanted to but how the other person would perceive and potentially respond to it was also considered.
Call me crazy but I've never said anything to a person on the internet that I wouldn't be willing to say to them face to face.

You insinuated you'd be willing to do the same yet, when the time came, predictably, you slithered away into the night somewhere.

I really don't mind, I got to see a decent band (Sonny Wolf), drink some cold Shiner Bock beer and check out a bar I've never been to.
I also got to confirm my theory about the internet and how it's changed people's personalities. Suddenly, from the safety of cyberspace we can type anything we want, insult anyone we want and challenge anyone we want without ever worrying about potential consequences. That is, unless we take it the extra step and actually challenge someone to meet us somewhere in person.
This certainly is one option on how to deal with people. The other would be to keep one simple code in mind. Don't say anything on the internet you wouldn't say to that person face to face.
In the end, that simple code can keep one from looking.....well.....cowardly.

I think all of you are full of shit. Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Yeah, it's us that are full of shit. <eyeroll>

If you have not read it cover to cover then you have not read it in its entirety. As you said you have read the talking points.. Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

If you care to debate some of the finer points of the bill, I am always happy to oblige.

I happen to know that there are a lot of one man shows in Austin. That means 1 employee is the owner and he calls it a business.

Small business owners are going to have a hard time offering health insurance and there main concern is being able to make payroll. I think that is more important than health insurance, which is being able to feed and shelter your family. These small business owners are close to the employees and with added cost of government mandated health insurance they may have to let one or two employees go. That is the last thing they want to do. Considering there are a lot of small businesses out there that will add up to a lot more unemployment... Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

As far as I am concerned, if you can not afford to provide health insurance for your employees, than you have no businss hiring them. It's completely irresponsible. This is of course above and beyond that fact that seems to go right over most of your heads. We are already paying for those folks who currently do not have insurance. Where do you think the money for their medical bills is coming from today? Well genius, it comes from mine and your State and Federal taxes. Seems to me you conservative types should LOVE such a bill that finally mandates health insurance coverage, instead of you having to foot the bill for someone else. I don't think you've got your conservative priorities in line.

As far as answering your question I do not have to as far as I know you just lied to me anyway. Who cares??? If I even took the time to post up references to my point and had facts and figures to support it you still would want to argue. Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Now you're calling me a liar? On what topic exactly? You refuse to answer the question, the same way you've always refused in the past because you have no idea what you're talking about. If you did, you'd have no problem with having a healthy debate about it instead of making excuses to cover up this fact.

On the topic of questions. May I ask one of my own?
Where were you last night F-Sharp? You see, I proceeded to Hardtails at the exact time I told you I would be there. I sat at the main bar wearing exactly what I had described to you. (Please don't pull a "no you weren't there", lest I have to attach my bar tab here with the name of Hardtails along with the date and time stamp on it)
I sat there from 8-10pm. Yet, low and behold you never showed your face. Why? Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Why? Because I have absolutely no interest in meeting you in person. If you did show up to Hardtails last night you're far dumber than I thought you were. Why would any rational, thinking person want to risk their personal privacy meeting someone from a forum for finding hookers? Besides that, you've made many a reference to police, having detective friends in the APD, and being former military. A perfectly logical conclusion one could come to is that you actually are a cop or perhaps were one. Thanks, but no thanks.

Believe me when I say I have no problem speaking my mind to someone in public, just as I would on an internet forum. Nor have I ever spoken anything here or elsewhere that I would not hesitate to say to the face of the person I was addressing. I am just not stupid enough to actually meet someone from an internet hooker forum in person. My privacy is far too important to me, as it should be to you. Tell you what, if you really want to meet me so bad you leave me your home phone number, your address, your place of employment and once I check you out I'll come meet you for a drink somewhere. Until that happens, you're out of your mind if you think you and I are just going to meet up somewhere for a beer knowing absolutely nothing about you.

So you are saying that a guy that has a carpet cleaning business with 4 employees should just shut down???? Then those 4 guys are without a job smarty pants. If you truly believe that then expect higher unemployment. I do not need to post up any links supporting my reasoning it is called logic which is something you emotional liberals do not use. You say we are paying for the ones that do not have it now. When it is mandated everyone will have it even the ones that do not need it. That is going to cost us more...There will be more on the government exchanges that can't afford to pay. So who is going to pay for the ones that can't pay???? Lets not forget that those under 26 get to stay on mom and dads insurance. When I was in my 20s I did even need insurance.

Making me pay for something is a violation of my freedom of choice. So to all those that wish to impose shit on me FUCK YOU. I am glad liberals do not own guns.

So to all those that wish to impose shit on me FUCK YOU. I am glad liberals do not own guns. Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Spoken like a true patriot!