Evolution? Intelligent Design? God did it all in 7 days?

all we need now is someone from the Church of Scientology to mix it up with and this thread can go on forever Originally Posted by JCM800

Really all folks need to do to see how early religion started is to see how the Mormon religion and Scientology started.

Really all folks need to do to see how early religion started is to see how the Mormon religion and Scientology started. Originally Posted by WTF

Knowing the Sapa Inca's role as keeper of the almanac, i.e., knowing when to plant and when to harvest, etc., in Incan society provides a better understanding of the purpose and origin of ancient religions. "Knowledge is power," as Sir Francis Bacon would say.

They pick and choose what part to take seriously and what part to turn a blind eye to. Originally Posted by WTF

yeah most organized religion lives by the "do as i say not as i do" motto..... they just want your money (10% of your income) so they can buy as much cocaine & hookers as humanly possible, become almighty on you every Sunday, try and succeed in guilt-ing you for every sinful thought you might have (no matter how small), then laugh at you when you leave.

organized religion is a huge scam

You thought wrong. Just because we have evil in this word does not mean there is or isn't a God. Where did you get your deductive reasoning from, the Bible?
Again that makes no sense. Prove there isn't an Easter Bunny otherwise the existance of the Easter Bunny has more merit than not.

That is how idiotic you sound.

I can not prove the theory of evolution just as you can not prove the existence of God.

You can believe in God and the Easter Bunny for all I care. Just do not expect me to. Do not expect me to believe that your Easter Bunny type beliefs do not spill over into your political beliefs also. Originally Posted by WTF

Here I answer seriously and politely and you aggressively rejoin with insults. I think you are probably a pretentious Yankee jackass, or the moral equivalent therein.
You are moving the argument away from my point, which was just the theological response that would apply if you first stipulate, for the sake of the argument, that if God did exist, that would be the reasoning behind allowing evil to exist. No one has the answer to that question, as you know.
It is a belief.
Now, where did life come from?
At present, science can't prove where it came from, can they? Billions and billions of dollars spent gazing into the stars, all those silly PhD's in obscure and useless fields from make work "Universities" of dubious origin and worth, all relentlessly hoping to educate the ignorant fools who believe in God, and failing to move the needle in their direction. After all that, you only have insults.

WE, you demean the cultural accomplishments of those people, i.e., the Egyptians and the indigenous people of Brazil, etc., by disparaging and disbelieving they, at one time, possessed a culture that had the ability to undertake and accomplish such massive projects. Your stated beliefs echo the racist attitudes held by Western anthropologists in the 19th century who could never accept the notion that people of color had the imagination, let alone the innate ability, to build such magnificent structures.



After all, ancient civilized man both understood and utilized simple machines:

“Give me a place to stand, and a lever long enough, and I will move the world.” Archimedes
'δῶς μοι πᾶ στῶ καὶ τὰν γᾶν κινάσω'



http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/cons...techniques.htm

http://www.touregypt.net/construction/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptia...ion_techniques

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_machine

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostempires/obelisk/

http://dlib.etc.ucla.edu/projects/Ka...ials/guide.pdf

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

That is an excellent illustration, IBH.

Knowing the Sapa Inca's role as keeper of the almanac, i.e., knowing when to plant and when to harvest, etc., in Incan society provides a better understanding of the purpose and origin of ancient religions. "Knowledge is power," as Sir Francis Bacon would say. Originally Posted by I B Hankering

I agree!

I should not have compared them to Mormons or John Cruise and Tom Trovolta's religion!

Here I answer seriously and politely and you aggressively rejoin with insults. I think you are probably a pretentious Yankee jackass, or the moral equivalent therein.
You are moving the argument away from my point, which was just the theological response that would apply if you first stipulate, for the sake of the argument, that if God did exist, that would be the reasoning behind allowing evil to exist. No one has the answer to that question, as you know.
It is a belief.
Now, where did life come from?
At present, science can't prove where it came from, can they? Billions and billions of dollars spent gazing into the stars, all those silly PhD's in obscure and useless fields from make work "Universities" of dubious origin and worth, all relentlessly hoping to educate the ignorant fools who believe in God, and failing to move the needle in their direction. After all that, you only have insults. Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

I'm sorry JL if I hurt your feelings, I did not know you were trying to have a civil conversation!

Well said. An easy to read yet informative book worth reading by folks who need their perspectives broadened is "1491".

WE, you demean the cultural accomplishments of those people, i.e., the Egyptians and the indigenous people of Brazil, etc., by disparaging and disbelieving they, at one time, possessed a culture that had the ability to undertake and accomplish such massive projects. Your stated beliefs echo the racist attitudes held by Western anthropologists in the 19th century who could never accept the notion that people of color had the imagination, let alone the innate ability, to build such magnificent structures.



After all, ancient civilized man both understood and utilized simple machines:

“Give me a place to stand, and a lever long enough, and I will move the world.” Archimedes
'δῶς μοι πᾶ στῶ καὶ τὰν γᾶν κινάσω'



http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/cons...techniques.htm

http://www.touregypt.net/construction/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptia...ion_techniques

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_machine

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostempires/obelisk/

http://dlib.etc.ucla.edu/projects/Ka...ials/guide.pdf
Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Beats me.

So you are going with spontaneous generation even though scientist don't even have the slightest clue how that could occur and have never been able to replicate such an event in a lab. What does that prove? They don't have the slightest clue YET. They haven't been able to replicate it YET. At one time, they did not have an explanation for the movements of the stars and the planets. Then they realized the earth moved around the sun and not vice versa. Suddenly, they had explanations for all of those things.

You make the same mistake over and over again: Scientists don't have all the answers yet. Therefore it must be God.

Religion needs faith to explain the world. Science just needs time.

Even Dawkins himself has given up on such an idea and has decided to go with ET as the answer or as he puts it (Some higher form of intelligence in the universe) but
not what you would refer to as God. Who cares what Dawkins believes? He isn't God (so to speak). He is just one man/scientist giving his opinion.

So there you have it folks. God or Plan 9 From Outer Space. You make the choice. Originally Posted by bojulay

Why is God still a choice? Like I said above, you seem to believe that if scientists can't explain something, it proves God exists. It doesn't.

WE, you demean the cultural accomplishments of those people, i.e., the Egyptians and the indigenous people of Brazil, etc., by disparaging and disbelieving they, at one time, possessed a culture that had the ability to undertake and accomplish such massive projects. Your stated beliefs echo the racist attitudes held by Western anthropologists in the 19th century who could never accept the notion that people of color had the imagination, let alone the innate ability, to build such magnificent structures.



After all, ancient civilized man both understood and utilized simple machines:

“Give me a place to stand, and a lever long enough, and I will move the world.” Archimedes
'δῶς μοι πᾶ στῶ καὶ τὰν γᾶν κινάσω'



http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/cons...techniques.htm

http://www.touregypt.net/construction/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptia...ion_techniques

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_machine

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostempires/obelisk/

http://dlib.etc.ucla.edu/projects/Ka...ials/guide.pdf

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Unfortunately, this won't help with WE1911.

The same points you made above were made in another evolution thread about 6 months back. It made absolutely no difference to WE1911. He came right back in this thread and repeated the same nonsense about the ancient Egyptians.

Mark this post! You will need to find it later. In about another six months or so, there will be another God-centered of evolution-centered debate. And I guarantee you that WE1911 will jump into that thread also and he will again post a bunch of paranomal bullshit about ancient civilizations that is supposed to prove God exists, evolution is false, and the earth was created in 7 days.

Why is God still a choice? Like I said above, you seem to believe that if scientists can't explain something, it proves God exists. It doesn't. Originally Posted by ExNYer

I would say it merely leaves open the possibility that he might exist until the scientists eventually prove he does not. Create life in the lab and prove it can be done.
The inability to create life in the lab implies the existence of a supernatural event.
That is a bit more serious than disproving the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus, which do not claim to represent the origins of life.

I believe God exists. I do not believe God created the heavens and earth.

I do not believe there exists a supreme being that created our reality.

That being said, I acknowledge that since there is plenty out there that humanity does not know (and will likely never know), the possibility is there that such a being exists.

Why is God still a choice? Like I said above, you seem to believe that if scientists can't explain something, it proves God exists. It doesn't. Originally Posted by ExNYer

Ether would have to be accepted by faith my dear, that was
my whole point, and it's obviously the way God wants it.

Remember, he gets to make the rules.


Geez, there's thick and then there's......well.


What dorkelheads like exinyur don't understand is that God isn't the one on trial here,
we all are the ones on trial. I bet God pissis his pants every time laughing about that one.