Yep that is it. There is only one alternative to legal abortion and that's the back alley coat hanger wielding pseudo-doctor. As opposed to what legal abortion and abortion clinics do...Conseratives argued blacks weren't human.
Your arguments have all been heard before...
Originally Posted by texassapper
Yep, exactly the way it's suppose to work and if you are like me, that is all that matters that we follow the Constitution and in a very short period of time, 2 years after Roe is overturned and states that have banned abortion see what that decision may or may not have done to their states economy, may very well change their Representatives thus changing the law.Hedonist, We may both be pro-choice, and both very aware that the Constitution calls for the states to decide issues like these, but otherwise I just don't understand your point of view. See my earlier response to your comments about corporations funding abortions.
I lived in Louisiana for 20 years and my best friend a die hard Biden/ Democrat supporter still lives there and we were talking last night about this and both agree that if Roe is reversed and Louisiana decides to ban ALL abortions and charge any doctor for murder that does, the economic decline of Louisiana will be spectacular. No more Mardi Gras to speak of, no more Jazz fest. No more celebrities, sports teams etc. will perform in Louisiana. They will be ostracized to a level never before seen. You think Atlanta losing the Wold series was a big deal? It will look like a cake walk compared to what will come if they ban all abortions but that is the decision for the people of Louisiana and has no bearing on me at all. Many people will pull up stakes and I can't imagine many people saying "Yeah, let's move to a state that bans all abortions". Originally Posted by HedonistForever
Honest debate?
You think they will stop at letting States decide abortion?
wtf are you taking about?
Let me try and understand your logic.
Presently individual women have the choice. You seem to want to put that choice in the hands of States. The GOP has stated that it wants a national ban on abortion.
a national ban on abortion would be just as unconstitutional as a national mandate for abortion
So is your logic that the Federal government should have made slavery mandatory in states that banned slavery.
no you idiot
Or do you think it should be the State dight and you would be against a national ban on abortion?
Inquiring minds want to know... Originally Posted by WTF
as i've said before i'm pro choice. this does fall under state's rights. i doubt any state will ban abortions completely. i think women should have a fundamental right to an abortion as a result of rape, if her life is in danger by the pregnancy or if the fetus is clearly severely deformed/impaired.
i also think a woman should have the right to choose to have an abortion as a matter of personal choice, within the current standard of two trimesters.
i bet you believe the exact same thing. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
as i've said before i'm pro choice. this does fall under state's rights. i doubt any state will ban abortions completely. i think women should have a fundamental right to an abortion as a result of rape, if her life is in danger by the pregnancy or if the fetus is clearly severely deformed/impaired.You're actually a little more liberal on this, with the two trimesters, than I am. Hedonist said he's pro choice too, although he'd only allow for 6 weeks, which is inadequate in my opinion. For some reason though I'm the only baby killer out of the three of us.
i also think a woman should have the right to choose to have an abortion as a matter of personal choice, within the current standard of two trimesters.
i bet you believe the exact same thing. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
Anybody making the case that right now under Roe, they [can't] get in a car and be at an abortion clinics in a hour or less are naive as hell and aren't being truthful with themselves or the rest of us. Originally Posted by HedonistForeverTrust me, maybe they can drive or get a ride to a clinic in another state, but many won't. You haven't dated as many crack whores as I have.
You're actually a little more liberal on this, with the two trimesters, than I am. Hedonist said he's pro choice too, although he'd only allow for 6 weeks, which is inadequate in my opinion. For some reason though I'm the only baby killer out of the three of us. Originally Posted by Tiny
as i've said before i'm pro choice. this does fall under state's rights. i doubt any state will ban abortions completely. i think women should have a fundamental right to an abortion as a result of rape, if her life is in danger by the pregnancy or if the fetus is clearly severely deformed/impaired.Those may be compelling reasons to keep Abortion open as a procedure for a medical emergency. Unfortunately though the overwhelming number of Abortions are performed because the pregnancy is an inconvenience and a burden. I went out with a girl a few years ago, I found her to be reasonably attractive and rather smart. During conversation over a drink I simply asked her if she had any children. She replied, no and don't want any. She said she wouldn't marry someone with kids. She made it clear to me she found children of any age annoying. Although I realize it's her right to feel that way. It was just a shame that she had that attitude amidst her other good qualities. I immediately noticed her attitude towards me began to change, not because I have children because I don't, but because I didn't have a negative view of women with children or children in general. I would have to surmise that Abortion Clinics find women with her attitude walk through their doors more often than not.
i also think a woman should have the right to choose to have an abortion as a matter of personal choice, within the current standard of two trimesters.
i bet you believe the exact same thing. Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
You're actually a little more liberal on this, with the two trimesters, than I am. Hedonist said he's pro choice too, although he'd only allow for 6 weeks, which is inadequate in my opinion. For some reason though I'm the only baby killer out of the three of us. Originally Posted by Tiny
during the first trimester, governments could not prohibit abortions at all; during the second trimester, governments could require reasonable health regulations; during the third trimester, abortions could be prohibited entirely so long as the laws contained exceptions for cases when they were necessary to save the life or health of the mother.
