Please list/mention Obama's Accomplishments

So you are saying that a guy that has a carpet cleaning business with 4 employees should just shut down???? Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Yes, that's exactly what I am saying. If said carpet cleaning business is incapable of providing for the employees that are making said carpet cleaning business what it is then yes, it has no business being in business. That said, you start to realize what's wrong with our society and why affordable healthcare is an absolute necessity.

I do not need to post up any links supporting my reasoning it is called logic which is something you emotional liberals do not use. You say we are paying for the ones that do not have it now. When it is mandated everyone will have it even the ones that do not need it. Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

That would imply that there are human beings alive today that do not need healthcare. I'm not even going to dignify such an idiotic notion with any further response.

That is going to cost us more...There will be more on the government exchanges that can't afford to pay. So who is going to pay for the ones that can't pay???? Lets not forget that those under 26 get to stay on mom and dads insurance. When I was in my 20s I did even need insurance. Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

You obviously don't know the first thing about the exchanges. First of all, they may not end up being government run. It's more than likely they will end up being run by a non-profit agency. Second, the exchange policies will be purchased, not given away to anyone. The entire concept of the health exchange is to give individuals more buying power as a group, similar to a co-op. This will in turn allow people as a group to get a better rate, the same way large companies are now able to negotiate better rates than any individual can get on their own.

As for who is going to pay for those that can't, little changes. Government subsidies on a sliding scale will be available for those with low income, and Medicare will pick up the rest who can't afford a pot to piss in. The kicker in the plan is that ultimately the government (ie. you and I) will ultimately end up paying less of our tax dollars to cover these folks because the exchanges will drive the costs down through competition. These greedy slimey healthcare providers won't be able to simply charge Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP and other State and Federal programs whatever they want to provide these services to those that can't afford them anymore.

Making me pay for something is a violation of my freedom of choice. So to all those that wish to impose shit on me FUCK YOU. I am glad liberals do not own guns. Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Hate to break it to you genius, but we've all been paying for it our entire tax paying lives. Now do yourself a favor and go read a little about the plan. Here's a link that even a 5th grader can follow:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...l-means-to-you

Making me pay for something is a violation of my freedom of choice. So to all those that wish to impose shit on me FUCK YOU. I am glad liberals do not own guns. Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

If I am not mistaken, you have previously referred to me as a "liberal" on several occasions.

Hmmm, I have 3 deer rifles, 2 shotguns and 2 pistols. Less than two years ago, I knocked down a Bull Elk in its tracks at 350 yards with my .300 Winchester Mag.

If I am a so called "lib" how in the hell did that happen? Wylde, you've got some serious splainin' to do!

It is not the first time Wylde has painted himself into a corner. It seems as though there are some children who never learn.

Do they?

Here's a link that even a 5th grader can follow:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...l-means-to-you Originally Posted by F-Sharp

"5th grader?" That is probably above Junior Wylde's grade level.

Where is "freedom of choice" guaranteed? Wait a sec... Are YOU saying you're pro choice, Wyldeman?

Real men use pointed sticks ... guns are for homos! Chit! I got a fourteen pointer and three spikes with a Suburban on 360!

You're all worthless and weak! Now drop and give me 20!

Actually ROE V WADE has far more implications then what most people realize. It comes down to freedom of choice of an individual. The decision of ROE V WADE was not about abortion but about a persons right to do what they wanted with their body.

It more or less said it was saying that the government could not tell a person what to do with their body. If that includes taking drugs, having an abortion or in this case mandate us to get a policy to make sure that we have the ability to take care of ourselves.

The cost of such being so high is that the government does not protect the practioners of the medical practice when doctors can pay up $5 million dollars a year in malpractice insurance (depends on speciality) because they have to practice defensive medicine.

The government has had a spotty track record on running things on the social side of things. They also have a real spotty record on keeping costs in check and have to borrow or raise taxes on persons to make up the deficit.

Actually ROE V WADE has far more implications then what most people realize. It comes down to freedom of choice of an individual. The decision of ROE V WADE was not about abortion but about a persons right to do what they wanted with their body. Originally Posted by mgohara

Wrong. Row v. Wade was based on a Fourteeth Amendment argument claiming that preventing a woman from having an abortion was a violation of privacy under the due process clause. The Supreme Court not only adopted the idea that the right to privacy extends to a woman's decision to have an abortion, but abortion itself was also deemed a fundamental right under the U.S. Constitution.

It more or less said it was saying that the government could not tell a person what to do with their body. If that includes taking drugs, having an abortion or in this case mandate us to get a policy to make sure that we have the ability to take care of ourselves. Originally Posted by mgohara

You're not even "more or less" close. Do you make stuff up as you go or do you actually consider this fiction before writing it down?

The cost of such being so high is that the government does not protect the practioners of the medical practice when doctors can pay up $5 million dollars a year in malpractice insurance (depends on speciality) because they have to practice defensive medicine. Originally Posted by mgohara

Wrong again. Medical malpractice makes up less than one percent of all healthcare costs. The average cost of malpractice insurance for general surgeons across all states is about $28,000 year. OBGYN's can pay up to $64,000. The higher cost states like Nevada can run up to $85,000 a year. Again, do you make this shit up as you go along?

http://www.ehow.com/about_5514154_av...insurance.html

The government has had a spotty track record on running things on the social side of things. They also have a real spotty record on keeping costs in check and have to borrow or raise taxes on persons to make up the deficit. Originally Posted by mgohara

I agree that the cost of Medicare is getting out of control, but it seems to me that both Social Security and Medicare have been in place since 1965 and there are currently over 100 million people utilizing these programs. I can't think of any other social program run for so long and for so many people. Can you name any single private business managing such a large amount of services for such a large amount of people for the last 50 years? They must be doing something right.

I am glad liberals do not own guns. Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Actually this one owns several.

And ... it's good to know that at least SOME of the gun-totin' population can read the instructions!

Give me a shotgun and a pecan tree! I'll blow its nuts off!

And ... it's good to know that at least SOME of the gun-totin' population can read the instructions! Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Why? Because I have absolutely no interest in meeting you in person. If you did show up to Hardtails last night you're far dumber than I thought you were. Why would any rational, thinking person want to risk their personal privacy meeting someone from a forum for finding hookers? Besides that, you've made many a reference to police, having detective friends in the APD, and being former military. A perfectly logical conclusion one could come to is that you actually are a cop or perhaps were one. Thanks, but no thanks.

LOL, listen buddy, that's about the weakest excuse I've heard in my life!
There's been several people on this board who've been out drinking with me and somehow they didn't worry about getting arrested. Come on now, man up, just admit you let your mouth run away from what you were prepared to back up in person. It's o.k., happens to people all the time, especially on the internet. I even provided you with an out when I said you "cracked a lame joke". Instead you ratched it up with "Who's joking?" and "I'll be keeping my eye out for you at Hardtails Thursday".
So be a man and just say, "Yeah, I realized I talked a little more s*ht then I should have". Sounds much better than this fantasy and excuse you're trying to drum up now.

Believe me when I say I have no problem speaking my mind to someone in public, just as I would on an internet forum. Nor have I ever spoken anything here or elsewhere that I would not hesitate to say to the face of the person I was addressing. I am just not stupid enough to actually meet someone from an internet hooker forum in person. My privacy is far too important to me, as it should be to you.

Actually it's not that important to me. If I was that worried about it, I wouldn't go to a social or meet up with guys from here and go hang out at a SC. I honestly don't think YOU'RE that worried about it either. It just makes for a convenient excuse after your mouth wrote a check that your *ss wasn't prepared to cash. Like I said, it happens now and then, best just to man up to it and move on. Like I said, I got to see a decent band, drink some cold beer and prove my point. So all in all, it was a good night for me.

Tell you what, if you really want to meet me so bad you leave me your home phone number, your address, your place of employment and once I check you out I'll come meet you for a drink somewhere. Until that happens, you're out of your mind if you think you and I are just going to meet up somewhere for a beer knowing absolutely nothing about you. Originally Posted by F-Sharp

Hmmm, on one hand you JUST said above: "My privacy is far too important to me, as it should be to you"
but then you want me to send you my home address? LOL, you crack me up. It's really not just this post, it's almost ALL your posts. You constantly contradict yourself and you never even catch on.
Listen, like I said, it's o.k. I pretty much knew what to expect before I went to the bar.

Here's some friendly advice, and you don't have to take it, it's offered freely and with the best of intentions.
Don't challenge people on here to come meet you at a bar and then don't show up.
Don't write things like: "I had a gun pointed at me by a cop when I was 14 and 18" as if that traumatized you for life.
When you do things like that and write things like that, it just makes me want to say: Man up already!!!
I've had mortars, rockets and AK-47's fired at me more times than I care to remember. I'm not saying it like I'm a badass, I'm simply saying when you whine about a cop pointing a gun at you 20+ years ago, geez man, think about what the military and some civilian contractors over there go through each and every day.

You weren't shot at, you weren't beat, you got locked up and released. Move on already!
My teammate got his leg blown off by a suicide bomber. 8 months later he was back in Afghanistan working with us with a prosthetic leg. And you're whining about a cop pointing a gun at you and how it's "skewed" your view of them ever since? I guess I should be skewed toward every Iraqi, every Afghan because some of them tried to kill me?
All I can say is, you have some serious issues if you let things like that bother you for life.

I'm heading back over there in about 6 weeks. You should pack your bags and go. One tour and I can pretty much guarantee you'll change your entire outlook on things. It might do you some real good.

For your sake, I hope you can work out these issues in your life and maybe then you'll get a fresh perspective on things.

If I am not mistaken, you have previously referred to me as a "liberal" on several occasions.

Hmmm, I have 3 deer rifles, 2 shotguns and 2 pistols. Less than two years ago, I knocked down a Bull Elk in its tracks at 350 yards with my .300 Winchester Mag.
Originally Posted by bigtex

Though I often don't agree with many of your views, I will say:
1. Nice shot on the Bull Elk! Mind me asking what State? Colorado? 350 yds, that's pretty nice.
I haven't had the chance to hunt Elk yet but it's definitely high on the "to do" list.

2. Good for you for exercising your Second Amendment Right.
Just goes to show, there are some things conservatives and liberals can agree on!

Actually ROE V WADE has far more implications then what most people realize. It comes down to freedom of choice of an individual. The decision of ROE V WADE was not about abortion but about a persons right to do what they wanted with their body.

It more or less said it was saying that the government could not tell a person what to do with their body. If that includes taking drugs, having an abortion or in this case mandate us to get a policy to make sure that we have the ability to take care of ourselves.

The cost of such being so high is that the government does not protect the practioners of the medical practice when doctors can pay up $5 million dollars a year in malpractice insurance (depends on speciality) because they have to practice defensive medicine.

The government has had a spotty track record on running things on the social side of things. They also have a real spotty record on keeping costs in check and have to borrow or raise taxes on persons to make up the deficit. Originally Posted by mgohara

Well put!

Though I often don't agree with many of your views, I will say:
1. Nice shot on the Bull Elk! Mind me asking what State? Colorado? 350 yds, that's pretty nice.
I haven't had the chance to hunt Elk yet but it's definitely high on the "to do" list.

2. Good for you for exercising your Second Amendment Right.
Just goes to show, there are some things conservatives and liberals can agree on! Originally Posted by DTorrchia

About 10-12 miles NE of Paonia, Colorado! Just goes to show, every blind hog can find an acorn! I have a BDL with 4x12 Swarovski glass sitting on top of it. I was shooting a 180 grain bullet. Sweet!

Hmmm, on one hand you JUST said above: "My privacy is far too important to me, as it should be to you"
but then you want me to send you my home address? LOL, you crack me up. It's really not just this post, it's almost ALL your posts. You constantly contradict yourself and you never even catch on.
Listen, like I said, it's o.k. I pretty much knew what to expect before I went to the bar. maybe then you'll get a fresh perspective on things.
Originally Posted by DTorrchia

You are so incredibly bad at reading between the lines it's not even funny.

Here's some friendly advice, and you don't have to take it, it's offered freely and with the best of intentions.
Don't challenge people on here to come meet you at a bar and then don't show up. Originally Posted by DTorrchia

*I* challenged you to meet me?

Don't write things like: "I had a gun pointed at me by a cop when I was 14 and 18" as if that traumatized you for life.
When you do things like that and write things like that, it just makes me want to say: Man up already!!! Originally Posted by DTorrchia

I never said or implied I was tramatized. I did however imply that it's left me with a very bad impression of police and I greatly distrust them.

I've had mortars, rockets and AK-47's fired at me more times than I care to remember. I'm not saying it like I'm a badass, I'm simply saying when you whine about a cop pointing a gun at you 20+ years ago, geez man, think about what the military and some civilian contractors over there go through each and every day. Originally Posted by DTorrchia

You volunteered to be shot at and blown up, I on the other hand made no such submission.

All I can say is, you have some serious issues if you let things like that bother you for life.
Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Excuse me?

I'm heading back over there in about 6 weeks. You should pack your bags and go. One tour and I can pretty much guarantee you'll change your entire outlook on things. It might do you some real good. Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Sorry kid, I'm in my 40's and looking forward to retiring at this point in my life, not getting shot at and blown up by religious zealots. But you have fun over there with your spreading democracy and killing for peace. Do drop me a postcard from whatever shithole you end up in. I'll send you some Top Ramen and Hustlers if you want...no kidding.

Whatever you do, be safe. Contrary to what you might think, I rather enjoy our little debates. You're rarely correct, but at least you're incorrect with conviction and passion!

Actually ROE V WADE has far more implications then what most people realize. It comes down to freedom of choice of an individual. The decision of ROE V WADE was not about abortion but about a persons right to do what they wanted with their body.

It more or less said it was saying that the government could not tell a person what to do with their body. If that includes taking drugs, having an abortion or in this case mandate us to get a policy to make sure that we have the ability to take care of ourselves. Could it be so they don't have to pay? Like liability car insurance? Proof you can take care of yourself.

The cost of such being so high is that the government does not protect the practioners of the medical practice when doctors can pay up $5 million dollars a year in malpractice insurance (depends on speciality) because they have to practice defensive medicine. What does malpractice insurance have to do with personal health insurance being mandated? Nothing whatsoever. The cost of malpractice insurance is determined by insurance companies, not the government. Companies that always make a profit if they stay away from mortgages. Only the insurance companies have comprehensive lists of which doctors have fucked up. Doctors can cross state lines and leave parts of their history behind. But they can't hide from the insurers and their "tables".

The government has had a spotty track record on running things on the social side of things. They also have a real spotty record on keeping costs in check and have to borrow or raise taxes on persons to make up the deficit. Originally Posted by mgohara

Who do you think really has your best interests at heart? The somewhat incompetent government? Or the much supposedly more competent profit generating corporation? A corporation that cares only about profits for it's share holders.

About 10-12 miles NE of Paonia, Colorado! Just goes to show, every blind hog can find an acorn! I have a BDL with 4x12 Swarovski glass sitting on top of it. I was shooting a 180 grain bullet. Sweet! Originally Posted by bigtex

My Great uncle took an atypical whitetail out in the Black Hills near Rapid City. @ 600 yards with a Savage .300. It was either 14 points on one side and 13 on the other; or 17 on one side and 16 on the other. I've got a picture from the newspaper. he got close to $25000 for the head in the late 80s.