Charlie Kirk shot, another conservative assassination attempt.

DoJ is having problems linking the shooter to left-wing groups

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...ups-rcna232513 Originally Posted by HDGristle

That’s because there is likely no such ties to extremist groups.

Classic lone shooter.

That’s because there is likely no such ties to extremist groups.

Classic lone shooter. Originally Posted by txdot-guy

We'll still need to wait and see, but the need for instant answers to throw shade at the left by MAGA world is interesting to watch.

We saw how that turned out in MN

We'll still need to wait and see, but the need for instant answers to throw shade at the left by MAGA world is interesting to watch.

We saw how that turned out in MN Originally Posted by HDGristle

Interesting.

Please expound upon that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v1rle0598o

I think BBC has done a great job covering the story. They recognize the layers of irony in internet subculture with intended and unintended double, even triple meanings. The stuff that makes parsing things like the casings and their messages difficult.

If Bam was here he'd recognize the stuff from 4chan, I'm confident of it. Probably not the Helldivers stuff. Might understand the 0w0

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v1rle0598o

I think BBC has done a great job covering the story. They recognize the layers of irony in internet subculture with intended and unintended double, even triple meanings. The stuff that makes parsing things like the casings and their messages difficult.

If Bam was here he'd recognize the stuff from 4chan, I'm confident of it. Probably not the Helldivers stuff. Might understand the 0w0 Originally Posted by HDGristle

Ok the helldivers thing was a video game reference, the case engravings a meme.

We get that diverse political groups use Pigeon languages to deal with folks they dont know.

But please explain the slang that refers to CKs shooter?⁹

Step back and reconsider the political group assumption. You've only got 1 leg on that stool so far and it's a dodgy one.

Please.

The messaging has gone from “the shooter is MAGA” to the “shooter isn’t left wing”.

The kids social circles, feedback from people that know him, trans romantic partner, online gaming fetish, words on the bullet casings. It’s all left wing ideology by definition.

But keep spinning by all means. I’d run from it too if I were a lefty.

Wow. Denial is definitely not just a river in Egypt. That stool has 3 solid legs, your refusal to recognize them not withstanding.

Jebus Cripes, dude. Think about what you’re saying and trying to convince others is true. A gay tranny furry fucker who kills one of the president’s strongest, most effective supporters, a guy who’s arguably responsible for his election blowout, is clearly not “maga”, whatever the fuck that’s supposed to mean.

Fuentes is MAGA. He's anti-Kirk and has turned a bit on Trump. He's also representative of some of the worst of the alt-right and a self-described butt sniffer. An army of the incels that Devo thinks are lefties. Tyler's clearly familiar with Fuentes. May not be a grouper, but his words drip with Fuentes.

When I say your stool has a single dodgy leg it's because a good chunk of what you see is also rife on the right.

You really think there aren't a pile of conservative furries and tranny chasers? Creepy shit? Do you know anything about Peter Thiel?

Fuentes is MAGA. He's anti-Kirk and has turned a bit on Trump. He's also representative of some of the worst of the alt-right and a self-described butt sniffer. An army of the incels that Devo thinks are lefties. Tyler's clearly familiar with Fuentes. May not be a grouper, but his words drip with Fuentes.

When I say your stool has a single dodgy leg it's because a good chunk of what you see is also rife on the right.

You really think there aren't a pile of conservative furries and tranny chasers? Creepy shit? Do you know anything about Peter Thiel? Originally Posted by HDGristle

Yes, it's amazing that Lefties here are further castigated as other derogatory terms; incels, betas, and what's funny- is that most of the people are literally same-same as their right leaning friends. Matter of fact, I'd almost say it takes more inner confidence to say you're not part of the RedHat cult in deep red states- ergo not the traits of either Beta's or Incels; but rather folks who aren't afraid to stand up for what they think is right- which is a virtue I like in my friends from either side of the political aisle.

On a different note- i've been seeing a lot of sceptics on the 30.06 round as the round used to shoot kirk- suggesting that the entry and exit would be significantly more pronounced. I've shot a few ground hogs that were almost impossible to tell what animal they were afterwards. If you search through hunting forums the results of that round are not insignificant. Perhaps the round was a glancing one, but we've yet to hear any forensics on the shooting etc. Also- normal exanguination spray patterns are fairly significant and the fact that the white tent didn't bare any of that- suggests that perhaps a smaller caliber. I've shot a few unique .177 rounds that would be more to the way that round impacted and impacted a soft target. a 30.06 and .308 are really a lot alike with the 0.06 having more choices in bullet weight. I've seen some 200+ grain bullets that would have left the target A LOT worse off than the lower weight bullets. As a matter of fact, most deer hunters don't use that heavy of bullet so as to not leave the deer looking like hamburger. Likely a smaller bullet like the .223 at 55 grain- being 1/4 the weight would be less likely to leave giant exit wounds.

Not to be graphic, but typically higher weight bullets have that big knock down power and are much more likely to leave VERY significant wounds vs. what was on CK. Has there been any forensics released on the scene, recovery of the projectile , or even traces of splatter etc. For a scene that had some significant loss of blood- (trying to not be insensitive here) it's shocking that they were able to clean all that up as quickly as they did- and not leave it as a crime scene for a week till they did a full attempt to recover the bullet or if it was still inside the body. I really doubt that it was however, as typical shooting scenes involving bone mass- results in very high exit wound trauma vs. a puncture wound. Respectfully- I just don't see the bullet and caliber reported as being used, relating to the amount of damage done. (if you were significantly wondering what a those bullets can do - you need only go to youtube to google hunting expeditions and I did find this one that has a good explanation of some possibilities.




When dialogue ends that's when violence begins- Charlie Kirk

Fuentes is MAGA. He's anti-Kirk and has turned a bit on Trump. He's also representative of some of the worst of the alt-right and a self-described butt sniffer. An army of the incels that Devo thinks are lefties. Tyler's clearly familiar with Fuentes. May not be a grouper, but his words drip with Fuentes.

When I say your stool has a single dodgy leg it's because a good chunk of what you see is also rife on the right.

You really think there aren't a pile of conservative furries and tranny chasers? Creepy shit? Do you know anything about Peter Thiel? Originally Posted by HDGristle

Guy was an Incel, who ended up dating another guy, going trans.

There is no question about that.

Further, other people into trans or furries who are conservatives isn't the topic, you are deflecting blame elsewhere because you have no leg based in reality to stand on.

You deflect to change the topic from one where an innocent man was assassinated because of the things you support, quack, quack, and only want a conversation that somehow blames the people who DIDN'T cause this tragedy, while yours did.

Be honest, you hate Donald Trump, your TDS is stage 4, and you just can't accept that you can't talk people into accepting your logic, and with it, your hatred of all things TRUMP, or the people who support him.

That's why you bring whack job shit and whack job people, Fuentes for example, that have NOTHING to do with the topic, but somehow prove that your words have some truth to them.

We don't know who Fuentes is, we don't give a shit to know, and all we can say for sure, is, Charlie Kirk is dead, and that a psychotic liberal BOY, used his anger and grandfathers gun to kill a one of the most reasonable voices we have, or HAD, in this country.

Comparing Martin Luther King to Charlie Kirk is an apt description.

We KNOW a hateful, Deomcratic, white, black hating man, killed him, and we know exactly who and what the shooter of Charlie Kirk is, please quit trying to tell us we don't.

I'm not even trying to dissect the above rifle theory.

But, when a bullet hits bone, along with the coroners report, which says the round was stopped by his spine, anything can happen.

When I upgraded calibers to a 300 Weatherby, my butcher and I did autopsies on deer, he'd have like 30 hanging, and we'd look at the calibers on the tags to see which shots did the most damage.

Much to our surprise, slower rounds like 30-30 did far more tissue damage, because the slow bullet expanded and disrupted much more tissue, where the 300 WBY round hit so hard and fast, the projectile hit, went through and exited unless it hit bone, there all bets are off, the bullet becomes a lead grenade, especially lead core, non bonded core rounds like most 30/06 ammo is.

I used Nosler partitions, which have a seperate base, so, the top expands, and the back of the bullet stays solid and retains more weight, allowing the round to be effective even in bone.

All that said, is, it was lucky the shooter didn't use a solid copper round on one that would guaranteed someone getting hit behind him.

I saw two doe shot by one round, through the spine of the first, and into the spine of the 2nd.

All that said, the bullet didn't exit, everything said is only speculation that doesn't change the fact a large portion of our country is defending the incel murderer.

I guess we'll see when the forensic reports come out - if they match up with the found rifle. I'm very shocked that a 30-06 round did not go through and through, as it has been known for doing so by a majority of hunters.

Robinson knew who Fuentes was. So did Kirk. Very, very well. And Fuentes' Groyper army harassed TPUSA constantly vying for the minds of college age youths like Robinson.

I guess we'll see when the forensic reports come out - if they match up with the found rifle. I'm very shocked that a 30-06 round did not go through and through, as it has been known for doing so by a majority of hunters. Originally Posted by eyecu2

That’s completely dependent on the round. Some bullet designs would go straight through, others are made to tumble and cause as much internal damage as possible. This shot basically grazed him, I’d be surprised if it didn’t come out but don’t think I’ve heard what exactly happened.

And HD, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. I know you REALLY REALLY REALLY want it to be true that this wasn’t someone who thinks like you, but it was. This is where your rhetoric leads, knock it off or own the consequences.