Cathrine - Vi - Valerie... I got outted :( now what do I do?

She may not have broken the rule on this board regarding "members", but it definitely seems as though she has broken an unwritten rule of discretion regarding p4p anonymity, member or not.

What fun would the fireworks be If there were no patriotic music playing in the background?

She may not have broken the rule on this board regarding "members", but she has broken an unwritten rule of discretion regarding p4p anonymity, member or not.

What fun would the fireworks be If there were no patriotic music playing in the background? Originally Posted by THN

You'll get no argument from me about the unwritten rule violation. That, in my mind, is a REALLY good way for a provider to get herself shot by the outed client.

That being said, the ECCIE mods are NOT the hobby police. Non-members getting outed by a member is no more their jurisdiction than a member getting outed by some BP skank that's never heard of ECCIE.

You don't have to like it, but the mods have NO basis to ban her. The board rules are the rules, and the unwritten rule of discretion means about as much as thoughts and prayers do.

Oh, and having blown up my fair share of shit, I can honestly say that music makes NO difference. It's all fun and games (until somebody loses a hand).

It was a metaphor, but okay. Literally, I try not to blow shit up myself. I like to watch it from far far far away.

As far as the hobby police, that's already been covered. And you and WU are absolutely right. I believe the word threat is debatable but it isn't high enough on my priority list to argue it (plus it wouldn't matter anyway). I have a test to ace and money to make.

"#5 - Outing or threats of outing are taken seriously. Membership here is anonymous and for the privacy of our members it will remain that way. That means any effort or attempt to connect a person's real world information to their username on this board will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. This includes real names, employment, medical info, addresses past or present, images, criminal or driving record, etc. We expect everyone who participates here to respect and go to great lengths to protect the anonymity and privacy of one another. Reckless disregard or accidental outing will also be taken very seriously."

She broke a guideline. She's videotaping her sexual encounters and posting them online under the guise they are unaware, unsuspecting clients. A reasonable person would consider that threatening behavior. She has said in the past she past that she video tapes her sessions. Okay fine. But when she takes those videos public that's a threat of outting if not actual outting (which remains a mystery unless or until the subjects of those videos comes forward).

Nonetheless, the threat is still there. Originally Posted by THN

I read and up interpret rules for a living. The guideline isn't exactly a model of clarity and can be read in good faith to support the view that in bans outing in general, or that it only bans the outing of members (though I'd lean toward the broader interpretation in enforcing it).

But to a more fundamental point, if the present rules don't ban the wholesale outing hobbyist's or providers who happen not to be members, shouldn't they? Why would thissite want to provide a home for those who engage in unethical conduct to third parties? How would that preposterous policy benefit the site or our members? Thus is not a question of being the "hobby police." We DO control our own membership. We what that membership to benefits us in some way. It's a question of what the
purpose of the board is going to be. Providing a gone and an effective platform for communication,advertising, etc. for those who damage the hobby through self-confessed unethical behavior does nothing to further the legetimate ends of the board.

You'll get no argument from me about the unwritten rule violation. That, in my mind, is a REALLY good way for a provider to get herself shot by the outed client.

That being said, the ECCIE mods are NOT the hobby police. Non-members getting outed by a member is no more their jurisdiction than a member getting outed by some BP skank that's never heard of ECCIE.

You don't have to like it, but the mods have NO basis to ban her. The board rules are the rules, and the unwritten rule of discretion means about as much as thoughts and prayers do.

Oh, and having blown up my fair share of shit, I can honestly say that music makes NO difference. It's all fun and games (until somebody loses a hand). Originally Posted by snarl

You rang

Now that a third person, hiding in the closet recording, the two OTHER people, falls very clearly on wiretapping, invasion of privacy... by adding that other person changed the whole dynamic.
On top of that, posting them online in a public forum without their consent, without a USC 18 section 1466A statement that all participants are over 18 years of age is required. Originally Posted by ATXLover

Doesn't this change the whole concept of violating an eccie rule? These were recorded by the third party making this fall not wiretapping and invasion of privacy.?? I do not know I am just asking for some clarification.

What if one feels threatened by the perceived threat of showing up on pornhub? Does that change the dynamic of threat? Again just a question for clarification.

Yes, us ficktards were stupid and made the visit for a variety of reasons and will have to face any fallout that may happen. We can only hope and pray that she holds to her word of not involving eccie members but the fear and threat of her or one of her ex-roommates obtaining that data and posting in spite is real and daunting, but it is what it is. for one will never, never, never trust the word "discreet provider" or "discreet location" and probably will never venture outside of a burb amp ever again. But everyone is different. At $250+ one would think there would be nothing but discretion there...eye opener for sure. Never again.

Just questions for clarity. Thanks

If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Best advice ever. I've had to apply it myself a time or two.
Lay off the board for awhile V.
I myself believe in karma like some people believe in Jesus.
You are living proof V.
What comes around, goes around. Sounds like you are getting everything you deserve and because the universe is such an asshole, maybe a little more.
Just take your lumps, apologize to those you've lied to and/or robbed and/or recorded and move the fuck on. Make amends.. Financially - emotionally - what have you.
This running around and being a complete jerk-off to the board isn't helping you at all.
You'll be better in the long run to just woman up and take some responsibility and chill out. Karmically speaking.

THN - I love your posts, why are we not doing duos!? Hottest lady on the board and offering some damn insightful posts to boot.

If she outting a board member, she's banned.

If she outted BP users or independent circuit fucktards, she ain't banned.

But knowing all this and you still see her after this, you live in an apartment with "these manys" adult males where yah learn basic life skills and go see the water animals on Tuesdays.

If I out him, doesn't that make me just as bad as him... Originally Posted by !VI!

tell him Ur Pregnant and it is his

If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Best advice ever. I've had to apply it myself a time or two.
Lay off the board for awhile V.
I myself believe in karma like some people believe in Jesus.
You are living proof V.
What comes around, goes around. Sounds like you are getting everything you deserve and because the universe is such an asshole, maybe a little more.
Just take your lumps, apologize to those you've lied to and/or robbed and/or recorded and move the fuck on. Make amends.. Financially - emotionally - what have you.
This running around and being a complete jerk-off to the board isn't helping you at all.
You'll be better in the long run to just woman up and take some responsibility and chill out. Karmically speaking.

THN - I love your posts, why are we not doing duos!? Hottest lady on the board and offering some damn insightful posts to boot. Originally Posted by Maggie_May

Welcome back to the land of sunshine and rainbows!

You'll get no argument from me about the unwritten rule violation. That, in my mind, is a REALLY good way for a provider to get herself shot by the outed client.

That being said, the ECCIE mods are NOT the hobby police. Non-members getting outed by a member is no more their jurisdiction than a member getting outed by some BP skank that's never heard of ECCIE.

You don't have to like it, but the mods have NO basis to ban her. The board rules are the rules, and the unwritten rule of discretion means about as much as thoughts and prayers do.

Oh, and having blown up my fair share of shit, I can honestly say that music makes NO difference. It's all fun and games (until somebody loses a hand). Originally Posted by snarl

knowing the rules and playing by them... is what I learned at boating school today, thanks to JJ, THN, and ST

you ladies have made my life *muah* so much fun

It was a metaphor, but okay. Literally, I try not to blow shit up myself. I like to watch it from far far far away.

As far as the hobby police, that's already been covered. And you and WU are absolutely right. I believe the word threat is debatable but it isn't high enough on my priority list to argue it (plus it wouldn't matter anyway). I have a test to ace and money to make.

Originally Posted by THN

yet you fought SOOOO hard, good to see you do have a stopping point

I read and up interpret rules for a living. The guideline isn't exactly a model of clarity and can be read in good faith to support the view that in bans outing in general, or that it only bans the outing of members (though I'd lean toward the broader interpretation in enforcing it).

But to a more fundamental point, if the present rules don't ban the wholesale outing hobbyist's or providers who happen not to be members, shouldn't they? Why would thissite want to provide a home for those who engage in unethical conduct to third parties? How would that preposterous policy benefit the site or our members? Thus is not a question of being the "hobby police." We DO control our own membership. We what that membership to benefits us in some way. It's a question of what the
purpose of the board is going to be. Providing a gone and an effective platform for communication,advertising, etc. for those who damage the hobby through self-confessed unethical behavior does nothing to further the legetimate ends of the board. Originally Posted by TexTushHog

lesson 1... eccie runs eccie... nothing else

lesson 2 ... when you forget lesson 1... refer this thread and remember... lesson 1

Doesn't this change the whole concept of violating an eccie rule? These were recorded by the third party making this fall not wiretapping and invasion of privacy.?? I do not know I am just asking for some clarification. the third party was my other Evan.... I knew it and I requested to be recorded...

What if one feels threatened by the perceived threat of showing up on pornhub? Does that change the dynamic of threat? Again just a question for clarification. (not really because you feel threatened doesn't mean you were actually threatened)

Yes, us ficktards were stupid and made the visit for a variety of reasons and will have to face any fallout that may happen. We can only hope and pray that she holds to her word of not involving eccie members but the fear and threat of her or one of her ex-roommates obtaining that data and posting in spite is real and daunting, but it is what it is. for one will never, never, never trust the word "discreet provider" or "discreet location" and probably will never venture outside of a burb amp ever again. But everyone is different. At $250+ one would think there would be nothing but discretion there...eye opener for sure. Never again. I mean 260 a pop made my life easy

Just questions for clarity. Thanks Originally Posted by goofy11

I hope I helped you see some issues

If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Best advice ever. I've had to apply it myself a time or two.
Lay off the board for awhile V.
I myself believe in karma like some people believe in Jesus.
You are living proof V.
What comes around, goes around. Sounds like you are getting everything you deserve and because the universe is such an asshole, maybe a little more.
Just take your lumps, apologize to those you've lied to and/or robbed and/or recorded and move the fuck on. Make amends.. Financially - emotionally - what have you.
This running around and being a complete jerk-off to the board isn't helping you at all.
You'll be better in the long run to just woman up and take some responsibility and chill out. Karmically speaking.

THN - I love your posts, why are we not doing duos!? Hottest lady on the board and offering some damn insightful posts to boot. Originally Posted by Maggie_May

Let me fix this ...
IT'S VI!, vicious, violent, vixen, vindictive, victory ... Vi

unfortunately karma and the American way made this too easy of a win. and yes I did win

tell him Ur Pregnant and it is his Originally Posted by BossyWillson

lol he's not worth it, the bigger fish to fry is 1 roommate specifically

Welcome back to the land of sunshine and rainbows!

Originally Posted by THN

i'll make it rain, and when all the tiger's blood as gone,

i'll be the dominate wolf once more

This thread is absolutely priceless. I don't think I've ever been so entertained and amused by one single clown of a person. Although I sort of pity her, she kind of had it coming. You reap what you sow, my dear. Karma's a bitch.

yet you fought SOOOO hard, good to see you do have a stopping point
Originally Posted by !VI!

Lmao. Settle down, snagglecooch. You're not even worth a labored breath, let alone alone a fight.

Lmao. Settle down, snagglecooch. Originally Posted by THN

I just died. That was too fucking funny.

Lmao. Settle down, snagglecooch. You're not even worth a labored breath, let alone alone a fight. Originally Posted by THN

Says the person that has posted over 20 times on this thread.