‘The Affordable Care Act: 5 Years Later’ (WH.gov)

.... so insurance premiums have INCREASED but not as much since "Obamacare"?

How much would they have increased WITHOUT OBAMACARE? Where's Gruber when one needs him? Originally Posted by LexusLover

Why does any of this matter to you, LLephantMan? You've been leeching off Medicare since before most of us were born!

Funny shit, junior. But shit nonetheless. Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

You don't know shit from Shinola.

Risk Corridors is not a new concept , Medicare PartD , which was signed into law by BUSH43 had the same idea. The insurance companies that lose money in the first couple of years get help from the federal government, after that they are on their own. You have any problems with Medicare Part D? Originally Posted by flghtr65

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting it's all George Bush's fault.

Liberal playbook: 101

#1 rule: If all else fails (liberal propaganda stats, apologist talking points from liberal websites, liberal projection: accuse a conservative of your own actions, thought, and behaviors, brow beating condescension, liberal psychosis; I.E. - chronic state of cognitive dissonance, meaningless activist movements instigated by the ruling class handlers, prey on the weak minded and emotionally driven with the irresistible need to be apart of something pointless and unprovable to fill their deep seated emptiness) blame George W. Bush.

#2 rule: See rule #1.

I know this maybe a bit hard for you to digest but regardless of your stats and other meaningless apologist points, ACA is a major political bust. People hate it.

Have you noticed the effect on the dim-o-cracks lately?

ACA is a major political bust. People hate it.

Have you noticed the effect on the dim-o-cracks lately? Originally Posted by Muscleup

It doesn't seem to be a "major" campaign "plus" for Hillary these days!

Perhaps the "refugees" are being recruited as "NEW BUSINESS"!!!!

"You can come to Amerika, but you have to sign up for Obamacare!"

the libtards are incredibly myopic aren't they? and they obviously wear rose colored glasses for that vision issue! ahaha. in no way will they even acknowledge this disaster. EVER. because a socialist agenda is exactly that. they won't be "happy happy" until this nation is the USSA and the "all knowing Government" tells you what to do and when to do it, and taxes you for doing it!

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting it's all George Bush's fault.

Liberal playbook: 101

#1 rule: If all else fails (liberal propaganda stats, apologist talking points from liberal websites, liberal projection: accuse a conservative of your own actions, thought, and behaviors, brow beating condescension, liberal psychosis; I.E. - chronic state of cognitive dissonance, meaningless activist movements instigated by the ruling class handlers, prey on the weak minded and emotionally driven with the irresistible need to be apart of something pointless and unprovable to fill their deep seated emptiness) blame George W. Bush.

#2 rule: See rule #1.

I know this maybe a bit hard for you to digest but regardless of your stats and other meaningless apologist points, ACA is a major political bust. People hate it.

Have you noticed the effect on the dim-o-cracks lately? Originally Posted by Muscleup

So, it's ok for Bush to give government bailouts to the health insurance companies, but not any other president?

If Bush and Cheney had great 8 years, why did the republicans lose the last two presidential elections by 15 million votes?

Waco, you do realize that Great Britain has a "SINGLE" Payer Health Care System. Thatcher does not practice what she preaches.

Waco, you do realize that Great Britain has a "SINGLE" Payer Health Care System. Thatcher does not practice what she preaches. Originally Posted by flghtr65

fightr65, do you realize you are an idiot? Thatcher saved the UK from complete financial ruination. Thatcher, as Prime Minister, much like a President does not have complete authority. they have this thing called Parliament. we call it Congress. in the 1970's .. many British rock stars .. (the Who, Led Zeppelin, the Rolling Stones, members of the Beatles, Eric Clapton, etc) all became tax exiles due to the huge socialist tax burdens in the UK. all of them hated it, but knew what their accountants told them. live outside the UK for 6 months or pay out your ass.

Thatcher, like Ronald Reagan, was one of the greatest leaders of the UK since Winston Churchill who they immediately voted out after WWII. huge mistake and they paid for it for decades.

you are nothing more that a woomby gloryhole socialist shill.

how's that "Hope and Change" working out for ya?

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

If you get on my operating table without health insurance, I will just leave you on it.

Ron Paul - March 2012.

If you get on my operating table without health insurance, I will just leave you on it.

Ron Paul - March 2012. Originally Posted by flghtr65

It's NOT FUNNY, frightr...

http://www.ronpaul.com/health-care/

Health Care
Health Care

In these United States of America, many people cannot afford even basic health insurance. They suffer severely under the present system and have to live under the constant fear of not knowing what they will do if they or their loved ones ever fall seriously ill.

But in many cases, insured individuals aren’t much better off either. In comparison to the exorbitant insurance premiums they pay, the medical care they receive is often very poor.

Additionally, due to the government-enforced monopolies of HMOs (Health Maintenance Organizations) and pharmaceutical companies, many patients will never even hear about some of the most effective and non-invasive treatment methods. These natural and inexpensive ways of regaining one’s health are being suppressed by the FDA and the medical establishment not because of safety concerns (they’ve been around for hundreds of years), but because they cannot be patented and would therefore cut into the pharmaceutical industry’s profits.

The current system is most definitely broken, and it must eventually be abolished if we want to regain both our health and our freedom.

But Obamacare is the worst possible answer. All it does is perpetuate a flawed system by forcing everyone to become a client of insurance companies, even those who don’t want to or need to participate.

Why should anyone be forced to subsidize the medical care of others? Very few individuals would personally assault their neighbors at gunpoint and steal thousands of dollars to pay for their own medical needs. How could any freedom loving person agree to delegate such criminal acts to the government by supporting a compulsory health insurance system?

There is only one solution that will lead to true health and true freedom: making health care more affordable. Ron Paul believes that only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business. Additionally, Ron Paul wants to change the tax code to allow individual Americans to fully deduct all health care costs from their taxes.

Through these measures and the elimination of government-sponsored health care monopolies a much larger number of people will be able to finally access affordable health care, either by paying for medical insurance or by covering their medical expenses, which are now much lower, out of their own pocket.

As for the poor and the severely ill who can neither obtain insurance nor pay for the medical care they need, Ron Paul offers the following solution in his book “The Revolution: A Manifesto“:

In the days before Medicare and Medicaid, the poor and elderly were admitted to hospitals at the same rate they are now, and received good care. Before those programs came into existence, every physician understood that he or she had a responsibility towards the less fortunate and free medical care was the norm. Hardly anyone is aware of this today, since it doesn’t fit into the typical, by the script story of government rescuing us from a predatory private sector.
Illegal aliens already receive de-facto free health care. Why can’t poor Americans have the same… not as a right, but as a charitable benefit provided by doctors who feel a personal responsibility for their fellow citizens?

Unfortunately, the current medical monopoly corrupts many doctors by rewarding practices that are not in the patients’ best interest. Pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest in not curing people, but getting them permanently addicted to expensive drugs that have many side effects, thereby requiring additional drugs to suppress those side effects. Many doctors are afraid to speak up and question the system for fear of being ostracized by their peers or even losing their license.

Under a liberated health care system prices would come down and additional options would become available, thereby making health care much more affordable. Moral corruption would give way to true compassion, and many doctors would remember their implicit obligation to provide free medical care to those in need, just like they did in the past.

As a medical doctor, Ron Paul swore the Hippocratic Oath many decades ago. His entire person and career is a monument to the beauty and sanctity of human life. Ron Paul knows that life without health can be very difficult and is not what it was meant to be. He has personally cared for the poor for many years, without asking anything in return.

The government’s original role is to protect our freedoms and restrain itself from causing too much harm. Ron Paul is working to prevent greedy bureaucrats, opportunist politicians and corrupt pharmaceutical companies from having any sort of unhealthy influence over our bodies and minds.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution and help us put the federal government back where it belongs: to Washington DC and out of our daily lives.



Transcript:

Government has been mismanaging medical care for more than 45 years; for every problem it has created it has responded by exponentially expanding the role of government.

Points to consider:

No one has a right to medical care. If one assumes such a right, it endorses the notion that some individuals have a right to someone else’s life and property. This totally contradicts the principles of liberty.

If medical care is provided by government, this can only be achieved by an authoritarian government unconcerned about the rights of the individual.

Economic fallacies accepted for more than 100 years in the United States has deceived policy makers into believing that quality medical care can only be achieved by government force, taxation, regulations, and bowing to a system of special interests that creates a system of corporatism.

More dollars into any monopoly run by government never increases quality but it always results in higher costs and prices.

Government does have an important role to play in facilitating the delivery of all goods and services in an ethical and efficient manner.

First, government should do no harm. It should get out of the way and repeal all the laws that have contributed to the mess we have.

The costs are obviously too high but in solving this problem one cannot ignore the debasement of the currency as a major factor.

Bureaucrats and other third parties must never be allowed to interfere in the doctor/patient relationship.

The tax code, including the ERISA laws, must be changed to give everyone equal treatment by allowing a 100% tax credit for all medical expenses.

Laws dealing with bad outcomes and prohibiting doctors from entering into voluntary agreements with their patients must be repealed. Tort laws play a significant role in pushing costs higher, prompting unnecessary treatment and excessive testing. Patients deserve the compensation; the attorneys do not.

Insurance sales should be legalized nationally across state lines to increase competition among the insurance companies.

Long-term insurance policies should be available to young people similar to term-life insurances that offer fixed prices for long periods of time.

The principle of insurance should be remembered. Its purpose in a free market is to measure risk, not to be used synonymously with social welfare programs. Any program that provides for first-dollar payment is no longer insurance. This would be similar to giving coverage for gasoline and repair bills to those who buy car insurance or providing food insurance for people to go to the grocery store. Obviously, that could not work.

The cozy relationship between organized medicine and government must be reversed.

Early on medical insurance was promoted by the medical community in order to boost re-imbursements to doctors and hospitals. That partnership has morphed into the government/insurance industry still being promoted by the current administration.

Threatening individuals with huge fines by forcing them to buy insurance is a boon to the insurance companies.

There must be more competition for individuals entering into the medical field. Licensing strictly limits the number of individuals who can provide patient care. A lot of problems were created in 20th century as a consequence the Flexner Report (1910), which was financed by the Carnegie Foundation and strongly supported by the AMA. Many medical schools were closed and the number of doctors was drastically reduced. The motivation was to close down medical schools that catered to women, minorities and especially homeopathy. We continue to suffer from these changes which were designed to protect physician’s income and promote allopathic medicine over the more natural cures and prevention of homeopathic medicine.

We must remove any obstacles for people seeking holistic and nutritional alternatives to current medical care. We must remove the threat of further regulations pushed by the drug companies now working worldwide to limit these alternatives.

True competition in the delivery of medical care is what is needed, not more government meddling.

Great post, Iffy. That's the best solution I've heard.

We must remove any obstacles for people seeking holistic and nutritional alternatives to current medical care. Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

IMO that effort only requires education .... not preaching the "substance" of a topic for a student to regurgitate on a scripted exam .... but "problem solving and critical thinking .... to give young people tools for adult life to find answers for themselves ... whether it be in health care solutions and answers ... or "how to fry an egg"! A problem with that type of "learning" is it is problematic when trying to fit an evaluation into some "production" quota rubric based on a numeric scoring with comparative results.

The "scoring" occurs in adult life when improving the quality of one's life.

It's NOT FUNNY, frightr...

http://www.ronpaul.com/health-care/

Health Care
Health Care


Illegal aliens already receive de-facto free health care. Why can’t poor Americans have the same… not as a right, but as a charitable benefit provided by doctors who feel a personal responsibility for their fellow citizens?



Threatening individuals with huge fines by forcing them to buy insurance is a boon to the insurance companies.

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

If doctors, nurses and hospitals worked for free, the USA would not need Medicaid for the poor now would we?

Doctors, have to go through 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, 3 plus years of residency training to specialize. Doctors want to GET PAID. There are millions of citizens on Medicaid. The state Kentucky alone had 300,000 citizens get the expanded Medicaid. You think doctors are going to treat all of them people for free, as a charity give back. You are just as crazy as Ron Paul if you do.

If having a fine to encourage people to buy health insurance is a boon to the insurance companies, then how did United Health Care lose 300 million dollars selling health insurance policies to policy holders who were "Already Sick" on the government exchanges in 2014.

Iffy, why don't you go ask Dr. Paul to explain that one. Ron Paul is quack who has no viable solution to increase the percentage of people who are insured.

No one in the republican party listens to Ron Paul. The republican party has TUNED him out a long time ago. The last time he ran for the republican nomination he got a Grand Total of 22 delegates.

If doctors, nurses and hospitals worked for free, the USA would not need Medicaid for the poor now would we? Originally Posted by flghtr65

#1, you might want to "revisit" Medicaid recipients and #2, you also might want to "revisit" the "backgrounds" of doctors who are "gravitating" to the ranks of those physicians who will accept Medicare and Medicaid patients.

The "list" of physicians and health care providers accepting Medicare and Medicaid is growing smaller and smaller.