Ok. I see what you are saying..... Let me rephrase it... Most people lack the tenacity to go back and forth. Assuming that is what is in store for them watching a thread like this they may be hesitant to post. Originally Posted by Whispers
There is a huge difference about talking about other hobbyist vs. speaking up when someone with power is abusive with it...Put it in simple terms he can understand...
If speaking up for them after they asked me to is wrong and shameful well then it is what it is I guess Originally Posted by VictoriaLyn
Granted, these Gentlemen have the strongest opinions, are the most vocal, and can be a royal pain in the bum.
Question: Is anyone else concerned that providers ARE discussing your appointment details with other hobbyists--hobbyists who seem okay with then discussing our business on the board? Seems a HUGE breach in privacy, anonymity, RW identities, etc...
My response to you would be...What are you really concerned about Sir? If you conduct yourself and business in a manor that is honest and respectful with said Provider, there would be no need to reach out and discuss your session with a MOD or another member of the board.
Of all the potential misdoings in this thread, the biggest rule breakers are surely those who are sharing information about other hobbyists, right? So, Still Looking, Rockerick, Whispers, et al; Who appointed you SAFE people to come to in the case of a sour date? And is that even sanctioned activity for this board? Originally Posted by 3daygetaway
My apologies boys, but it's often intentional, to push your own agenda, create controversy and/ or for your own shits and giggles. While I would not necessarily entertain them on my mat (nor would they ever ask for an appointment), and board antics aside, I have heard nothing but positive things about them from the other Ladies. It makes perfect sense if a Provider does not feel comfortable going to a MOD, they would feel comfortable seeking council with someone they know, and has been around the board since it's inception.Crime? Perp?You should take your own advice.
Dude, we're all criminals and perps here!
If there was a crime involved, it stopped at solicitation (maybe sodomy too), but a girl not knowing the ropes and being taken advantage of by a dude? not a crime...if it were every teenage boy in the world would be guilty.
That's very interesting....Sounds a bit self incriminating to me.... You are not a teenage boy, or Peter Pan.
Crime and Perp are specific terms that aim to discredit a member (and is probably a rule violation as well). You should not throw rhetoric like this around so freely. There's an edit feature; you should use it. Originally Posted by 3daygetaway
And to the women who have posted about corroborating evidence, shame on you too. Advising a fellow provider to do/not do something is cool (that's how we become better hobbyists and providers), but when you make this information public you violate the rest of our trust. Originally Posted by 3daygetawayGiven YOUR HISTORY, you Sir, have zero ground to stand on, much less the personal integrity to make such a sweeping statement to the Ladies who were brave enough to stand up and post in this thread for those who feel too weak or frightened to post for themselves. You standing on your self righteous soap box, intentionally shaming them for speaking up, reflects solely on your character, not theirs.
No; not a distraction--just addressing the part of this that could affect ME. Whispers says the point was to create a forum to dialogue about what to avoid in the future, right? I don't care to have my business discussed by providers or amongst hobbyists--that's what I DON'T want to see in the future. Originally Posted by 3daygetawayThat's really the crux of why you felt you needed to shame the Ladies who posted/spoke up in this thread, isn't it? If you are so concerned about "your business" being discussed between members of the community on or off the board, then take care of your own business. Conduct yourself in a manor to ensure a Provider won't feel the need to seek council on how to "handle" you, or a situation you created. You're worried your own behavior, deeds, "negotiation tactics", will be of public knowledge.... It's already out there Darlin and floating on the surface, I'm sure.
"SEARCH" is always a girls best friend. 
And to the women who have posted about corroborating evidence, shame on you too. Advising a fellow provider to do/not do something is cool (that's how we become better hobbyists and providers), but when you make this information public you violate the rest of our trust. Originally Posted by 3daygetawayAs far as the women posting and calling it shameful, would you really expect us to keep hush on abuse of power from someone we are supposed to be able to turn to? I'm sorry I have integrity and a backbone at the same time.
No; not a distraction--just addressing the part of this that could affect ME. Whispers says the point was to create a forum to dialogue about what to avoid in the future, right? I don't care to have my business discussed by providers or amongst hobbyists--that's what I DON'T want to see in the future. Originally Posted by 3daygetaway
Granted, these Gentlemen have the strongest opinions, are the most vocal, and can be a royal pain in the bum.I was going to say, don't piss off the BBW'S... but never mind!
You should take your own advice.
Given YOUR HISTORY, you Sir, have zero ground to stand on, much less the personal integrity to make such a sweeping statement to the Ladies who were brave enough to stand up and post in this thread for those who feel too weak or frightened to post for themselves. You standing on your self righteous soap box, intentionally shaming them for speaking up, reflects solely on your character, not theirs.
That's really the crux of why you felt you needed to shame the Ladies who posted/spoke up in this thread, isn't it? If you are so concerned about "your business" being discussed between members of the community on or off the board, then take care of your own business. Conduct yourself in a manor to ensure a Provider won't feel the need to seek council on how to "handle" you, or a situation you created. You're worried your own behavior, deeds, "negotiation tactics", will be of public knowledge.... It's already out there Darlin and floating on the surface, I'm sure.
IMHO: Not that you've asked for it, but you should stick to the boys...DD and Vicky are way out of your league. Originally Posted by Mia Christine
Granted, these Gentlemen have the strongest opinions, are the most vocal, and can be a royal pain in the bum.That was some kind of positive endorsement right?
The girls that let me go Greek tend to do so for the opposite reason.... No pain from my tool.....
My apologies boys, but it's often intentional, to push your own agenda, create controversy and/ or for your own shits and giggles.
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While I would not necessarily entertain them on my mat (nor would they ever ask for an appointment), and board antics aside, I have heard nothing but positive things about them from the other Ladies.
It makes perfect sense if a Provider does not feel comfortable going to a MOD, they would feel comfortable seeking council with someone they know, and has been around the board since it's inception. Originally Posted by Mia Christine
That makes each of you just a bit scary. Why? Because it makes each of you appear more petty, judgmental and unwilling to use process of hearing both sides. Originally Posted by 19TreesWe heard their side.... We heard yours......(you never)... We chose to believe them....
Whispers, DD McGee, Vikki,Really you are gonna call me vicious now?????? ..I am am no ones fucking puppet..I am a real girl with a real voice.. but you sir have shown both sides of your face here and after reading this last post I wouldn't waste any spit on you if you were on fire....... Im tired of playing nice now..you can go fuck yourself asshole
How would you know whether the alleged (phantom) griper(s) actually met Trees? YOU DONT
Which is what I said to you and why I walked away...
How do you know they are not lying, or made-up story/tale that did not happen or happened differently than they described? YOU DONT in addition you CANT unless you hear both sides. YOU DIDN'T.
Have you ever been lied to by Jane Provider? Ever? YOU HAVE
How can you (or anyone) make any conclusions without detailed facts from both sides? YOU CANT
Sure, its much easier to hear one side then say GUILTY (without basis) then fling approbation, ridicule and shame before ANY process to see if information is real or BULL SHIT. .
If one is saying guilty how are they flinging approbation at the same time?
So you are being praised and ridiculed at the same time?
But you and Whispers and Vicki all commit same conclusory-driven combination of judge, jury, prosecutor but do so without having ever posted one single, corroborated fact. NO PROVIDER HAS COME FORWARD, NONE HAS COMPLAINED, NONE HAS REGISTERED GRIPE WITH TREES PRIVATELY OR PUBLICLY. Now Trees no longer mod, there is NO RISK of coming forward IF there was anything REAL there.
Again was asked not to for fear..whether real or not it was reason given so again why I walked away.It was relay they felt huge risk within their RW
That makes each of you just a bit scary. Why? Because it makes each of you appear more petty, judgmental and unwilling to use process of hearing both sides. It screams be careful with these people. And all the while, Trees getting any and every thank you and invite to repeat. From every provider Trees has reviewed and reached out to.
Whispers, Vikki and DD McGee are different handles with different puppet masters. Or not. But each have propagated rumors. Each showing capacity for being borderline vicious, even before hearing both sides. Each utilizing words and tone that are "holier than thou". Each of you self-aggrandizing at same time pompous. It also makes each of you look (anywhere from a little to a lot) more likely to do someone else's bidding. Puppetable. Yet self appointed?
Sure, sucking a lot of phlegm from the nasal cavity can lead to a fatter wad of spit that DD, Whispers and Vikki have spat at Trees (repeatedly!) OR ANY OTHER HOBBYIST or PROVIDER (Bob Hobby, Jane Provider, take cover).
Splat. Peeps should think twice before getting into spitting distance to Whispers, DD McGee and Vikki. Because if you look at HOW they come to conclusions is clear, that their spit stinks.
If Members of this Community believe that Whisper's DD McGee and Vikki have received first-hand information, that is reliable and corroborated and took time to hear BOTH sides of story and have the requisite authority, skills and integrity and legitimacy to protect the allegedly weak/vulnerable (?) Members of our Community, please VOTE for Whispers, Vikki and DD McGee to become ECCIE's
19Trees Originally Posted by 19Trees
Really you are gonna call me vicious now?????? ..I am am no ones fucking puppet..I am a real girl with a real voice.. but you sir have shown both sides of your face here and after reading this last post I wouldn't waste any spit on you if you were on fire....... Im tired of playing nice now..you can go fuck yourself asshole
Giggles! You SOB! Giggles! 
