Trayvon Martin's Gun and Pot photos

I believe the 911 call, I do not believe that Martin was on top of him and then Zimmerman grabbed his gun before Martin was about to. Pretty damn self serving recollection if you ask me. Originally Posted by WTF

NO one did, and no one will.

But since you are a biased racist, everyone will understand why.

NO one did, and no one will.

But since you are a biased racist, everyone will understand why. Originally Posted by LexusLover

Nobody asked you either dipshit. And nobody will. Like I said and you haven't disputed, the trial will be won in jury selection. All black jury and Zimmerman is toast. Bunch of latent KKK'ers like you on the jury and Zimmerman walks!

No reading problems here, Speedy, but wish to reiterate that there's only one provocation that would justify Martin's physically assailing Zimmerman, and Zimmerman claims he did not do that: he did not physically grab or restrain Martin. That will be the crux of the case. If the prosecutors cannot establish that Zimmerman physically assailed Martin first, then it is probable Zimmerman's self-defense stance will prevail. Zimmerman shot and killed a person who was physically attacking him: the extant evidence supports that version of -- Zimmerman's version of -- the story. Neither Zimmerman's nor Martin's age, race or political affiliation change that version of the story.

Zimmerman committed NO crime by following Martin, whether before or after the dispatcher ADVISED him not to. It is not a crime to watch someone else in a public space. Creepy maybe, but it isn't a crime. People behaving suspiciously draw attention to themselves; they get watched.
Originally Posted by I B Hankering

I pretty much agree with all you are saying. I don't think Zimmerman shot Martin because he was black. But I do think he PROBABLY followed Martin because he was black. And I never said a crime was committed by Zimmerman following Martin.

I totally agree that it will be VERY difficult for the prosecution to prove Martin guilty unless they have the proverbial "smoking gun". No pun intended.

Right back at you .....

Could not find the ...

"the National Neighborhood Watch Organization" .... Manual. Got a link?

And who is "us" ... would that include your wife?

I've told you once, if I've told you 100 times, if you don't want her mentioned on the board ... quit bringing her up. Originally Posted by LexusLover

I really thought you'd have enough intelligence to do a simple google. Guess not.

http://www.usaonwatch.org/

By "us" I meant the people who participate on this forum and, in particular, on this thread.

Seems like you are hung up on my wife. I mentioned her one time in a different thread for one purpose -- to prove you wrong which I did several times in that thread.

Seems like you are hung up on my wife. I mentioned her one time in a different thread for one purpose -- to prove you wrong which I did several times in that thread. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I'm not "hung up" on anyone's wife ... particularly yours!

.... and only in your dreams did you prove anyone "wrong" ... on this board ... or in any other forum.

Nobody asked you ... Originally Posted by WTF

That's correct ... but since you've never selected a jury your "opinion" is worthless. Hot air. That's all.

Let me explain why: If the verdict that is rendered is not what you "perceive" ... "ought to be" ... then you will blame the jurors and therefore the "jury selection" ... your flaw (since you don't have a clue about what you are writing) is that NO ONE, not even "road scholar" speedo .. can determine whether or not a different jury would decide otherwise ON THE SAME EVIDENCE, with the SAME LAWYERS saying the SAME ARGUMENTS.

So, your bullshit about jury selection is about (notice I said about) as ignorant as your lame-ass attempts to paint other people as racists in order to make yourself feel better about your racism. By blaming the "jury" for the verdict you can therefore render your opinion about what the outcome "ought to be" of value and correct. Some call it ... "Monday morning quarterbacking" ...

But since you and genius speedo .. have all the answers .. you all be always be correct ... if you blame it on a jury ..

. even though you will NOT hear ALL THE EVIDENCE the jury hears!

I believe the 911 call, I do not believe that Martin was on top of him and then Zimmerman grabbed his gun before Martin was about to. Originally Posted by WTF

And your "non-belief" is based on what?

Who do you think could be heard yelling for help during the 911 call? Zimmerman was beaten up, but Martin was not. Other than the bullet in the chest, there is no report of him being bruised and injured (except maybe his knuckles?).

Pretty damn self serving recollection if you ask me. Originally Posted by WTF

Wow, really? If he is pleading self-defense, it would have to be self-serving wouldn't it?

Put differently, can you give an example of a claim of self-defense that is NOT self-serving? Take your time, we'll wait.

What about a plea of "not guilty"? Is that self-serving, too? If you were a juror, would you hold a plea of "not guilty" against a defendant?

"Ayala rolled Martin over and "felt a large cold can in the center pocket." Martin had $40 and change in his pants pockets as well as "one (1) red '711' brand name lighter, photo button, Skittles, and headphones." " ...

Hopefully LE got any footage at the store and the receipt for his purchases.... that night.

$40 in his pocket and no cigarettes to go with the "brand name lighter"?

And your "non-belief" is based on what? Originally Posted by ExNYer

His prejudice.

I'm not "hung up" on anyone's wife ... particularly yours!

.... and only in your dreams did you prove anyone "wrong" ... on this board ... or in any other forum. Originally Posted by LexusLover

Just to quickly review.

You stated Cedar Park received its name in 1973. WRONG!! Cedar Park received its name in 1887. It was incorporated in 1973.

You stated that Cedar Park was a trailer park community. WRONG!! Cedar Park is the 4th fastest growing city in the UNITED STATES. Schools are well above average for the state of Texas. Per capita income in Williamson County, in which Cedar Park is situated is 16th out of 254 Texas counties, and Cedar Park is ranked 187th out of 1511 Texas cities/towns.

I'm sure if I took the time to go back to the earlier thread I could find you WRONG on other statements. Meanwhile, you have yet to prove me wrong on any statement in that thread or this thread. Unless you want to hop on the other person's back and tell me that Martin wasn't drinking gatorade on the night in questin.

His prejudice. Originally Posted by LexusLover

Exactly, just as your beliefs are.based on your prejudices. You and exNYer may just be lead to water afterall, all I gotta do is let you think you are the one doing the leading! fyi LL, one does not have to have picked a jury to understand the importance of that process in a trial. Just like you do not have to have played in a super bow to understand the importance of the ref's. Why do you change the subject matter when you are beat in a debate. Is getting it wrong evrry once in a while so horrible to you? I'm wrong all the time and just admit it. Try is just once

That's correct ... but since you've never selected a jury your "opinion" is worthless. Hot air. That's all.

Let me explain why: If the verdict that is rendered is not what you "perceive" ... "ought to be" ... then you will blame the jurors and therefore the "jury selection" ... your flaw (since you don't have a clue about what you are writing) is that NO ONE, not even "road scholar" speedo .. can determine whether or not a different jury would decide otherwise ON THE SAME EVIDENCE, with the SAME LAWYERS saying the SAME ARGUMENTS.



But since you and genius speedo .. have all the answers .. you all be always be correct ... if you blame it on a jury ..

. even though you will NOT hear ALL THE EVIDENCE the jury hears! Originally Posted by LexusLover

I love how jackasses like you keep insinuating that others are incorrect or misled. Exactly what "answers" do I have? What facts have I stated that are incorrect? What opinions have I stated that are so implausible? Have I ever said anything about a jury, jury selection, or the outcome of a trial?

And your "non-belief" is based on what?

Who do you think could be heard yelling for help during the 911 call? Zimmerman was beaten up, but Martin was not. Other than the bullet in the chest, there is no report of him being bruised and injured (except maybe his knuckles?).


Wow, really? If he is pleading self-defense, it would have to be self-serving wouldn't it?

Put differently, can you give an example of a claim of self-defense that is NOT self-serving? Take your time, we'll wait.

What about a plea of "not guilty"? Is that self-serving, too? If you were a juror, would you hold a plea of "not guilty" against a defendant? Originally Posted by ExNYer

Based on me not thinking that Martin was on Zimmerman and Martin told Zimmerman that he was going to kill him and that he knew Martin was reaching for his exposed gun but Zimmerman beat him to it and then shot Martin and Martin the said , you got me. I do not believe that fairy tale. That is wtf my nonbeliefis based on, I've been in fights, they do not go like that. I

Exactly, just as your beliefs are.based on your prejudices. Originally Posted by WTF

My "beliefs" about what ... I already told you that I have a preference for Blue Bell.

As far as the "outcome" of the upcoming trial ... you're the one blowing it out your ass ...

with all this "jury selection" bullshit ... and you "slipping in there" a statement about "an all Black jury" ... PROVES your prejudice ... "All black jury and Zimmerman is toast." WTF!

That prejudice is: You think Black people will vote for the Black person EVERY TIME!

In other words, YOUR RACISM is that you believe Black people cannot make an unbiased decision in a trial between a Black person and a nonBlack person. Is it because you think they are not smart enough? Or what? Give it up, WTF.

I love how jackasses like you keep insinuating that others are incorrect or misled. Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

#1: Do you stand in front of the mirror and repeat that to yourself regularly?

#2: The post of mine you quoted was not directed at you, speedo, it was directed at WTF.

Unless you ARE WTF? .......

What was the name of that yankee school you attended?