Beware!!! nationalblacklist.com will destroy hobby

It took me forever to get on that list.

I've said before so many times, Austin is the only place I know of where providers seek personal identity information on customers to make themselves feel safe, yet there's no way they would feel comfortable with their clients [much less prospective ones] knowing who they are [sort of a one-way street].

There are ways to screen out and deter bad customers or LE without collecting personal information.

It amazes me that clients in this market are so willing to hand over such potentially damaging info a provider who they don't know at all.

There are ways to screen out and deter bad customers or LE without collecting personal information.

It amazes me that clients in this market are so willing to hand over such potentially damaging info to a provider who they don't know at all. Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

Worth repeating!

There are ways to screen out and deter bad customers or LE without collecting personal information.

It amazes me that clients in this market are so willing to hand over such potentially damaging info to a provider who they don't know at all. Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

Worth repeating!

There are ways to screen out and deter bad customers or LE without collecting personal information.

It amazes me that clients in this market are so willing to hand over such potentially damaging info to a provider who they don't know at all. Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

Worth repeating!

Yes I am newbie friendly but please don't confuse that with I don't screen..I have many different ways of screening..I go on my gut on which method I choose to use on a newbie ...Like Crystal I have very strong spider senses and they have served me very well over the past 6 years

I've said before so many times, Austin is the only place I know of where providers seek personal identity information on customers to make themselves feel safe... Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

I'm not sure where your agency's members have worked, but it's been my experience that escorts in most major cities require personal information such as full name, employer, address, etc. from hobbyists for screening if that hobbyist has no references, or if the provider is unable to verify the hobbyist using board handle, etc. This has been true in every major city I've toured in, including Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Corpus Christi, Midland/Odessa, Philadelphia, St. Louis, San Diego, Los Angeles and Las Vegas.

I am not newbie friendly, but if I have trouble verifying a hobbyist's references, I may give him the option of going through an alternate screening process if he chooses. The information I request for alternate screening depends on what information I have already been able to verify and what the particular situation is. For instance, I recently received an appointment request from a gentleman who had several OK's on P411 from more than 2 years ago. He said that he had taken a break from the hobby while he was in a LTR, and that is a perfectly valid excuse for a lack of hobby activity in my book; it didn't throw up any red flags. But, when I contacted his OK's to verify he was a good client, several never responded, two were retired, and four couldn't recall anything about the hobbyist.

At that point, I had developed a decent rapport with the hobbyist, but didn't particularly feel like trusting my safety and peace of mind to just "having a good feeling" about the guy. So, I proposed alternate screening. He happily provided the information I requested, and we had a great session.

It amazes me that clients in this market are so willing to hand over such potentially damaging info a provider who they don't know at all. Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

It amazes me that so many hobbyists (and agencies, from what I've seen of 'theaustinescorts' on the board lately) expect a provider to give so much of herself - her body, her emotions (because let's face it, a spectacular GFE involves some genuine passion and emotion), and her time... All while risking her safety and freedom... and not take any precautions to protect herself. It also amazes me that an "experienced" agency prides itself on shunning hobby screening practices, and encourages hobbyists to avoid providing info necessary for proper screening. I'm all for promoting your own business, but knocking other providers' screening methods as a form of shameless self-promotion? Not exactly a show of provider solidarity.

As for personal information that could be "potentially damaging," A provider is easily reached via her website, ads, telephone number and email address, and if someone were trying to be "sneaky" and corner a provider who didn't want to see them, they could create new handles, fabricate references, attempt to see that provider under a new identity, or simply show up unannounced at the lady's incall. (Before any of you laugh, it's happened before, to more than one of us, and it's scary to catch someone trying to pull a fast one on you. And you wonder why we're paranoid.) On the other hand, a hobbyist who didn't want to be found could simply ignore PMs and calls/texts or even change his info, no harm, no foul. The potential for damage here seems to be greatly skewed in favor of the hobbyists. But that's just my opinion.

The majority of providers I've associated with are professional, respectful and intelligent. Same goes for most of the hobbyists I know. Your insinuation that hobbyist's personal information is somehow more valuable than a provider's personal information, and that any provider who asks for personal information is is a tad insulting. We're all people here, and we're all important, and everyone's privacy and safety is valuable.

Gentlemen, if you don't like the way a provider screens, move on to another provider. Or ask for advice on who you might be able to see based on the info you're willing/able to provide. Most of us are happy to offer recommendations for other providers. If you sit around thinking you can bully providers into relaxing their screening methods or taking chances with their personal safety, I'm fairly certain you'll be disappointed. We're not as dumb as some hobbyists would like us to be.

well, i really can't knock how a woman screens. i dont really care about handing out my refrences. i won't do work information. i figure as much as i run my mouth, most providers have heard of me and i have developed acceptable status with the major providers in austin that should clear me with either provider

Sensualcheri I don't know what country you are referring to, but in every city I know of when you answer an ad from an escort agency or call girl service they take the call and send the girl. I used to work in a field where we had annual conventions in different cities. On every one of these trips I and other attendees would pick up the phone book, grab a hotel computer, or pick up a flyer and CALL THE SERVICE'S NUMBER AND THEY WOULD SEND OVER A GIRL.

This idea that indies have in this city that everyone has the same issues and "concerns" that they as indies do is, frankly, disingenuous.

I know for a fact that the statements you made are flat wrong, and don't know why you made them. I suspect though that you're trying to defend as conventional a practice which is impossible to implement. Can you imagine a guy in a hotel room in Vegas trying to come up with all this info just to prove to the service that he's not, what?

Sorry for my rancorous attitude on this one, and nothing personal please, but if someone doesn't know how to do this without imposing unfair and
sometimes impossible burdeons on the public then the public will go elsewhere.

Sensualcheri I don't know what country you are referring to, but in every city I know of when you answer an ad from an escort agency or call girl service they take the call and send the girl. I used to work in a field where we had annual conventions in different cities. On every one of these trips I and other attendees would pick up the phone book, grab a hotel computer, or pick up a flyer and CALL THE SERVICE'S NUMBER AND THEY WOULD SEND OVER A GIRL.

This idea that indies have in this city that everyone has the same issues and "concerns" that they as indies do is, frankly, disingenuous.

I know for a fact that the statements you made are flat wrong, and don't know why you made them. I suspect though that you're trying to defend as conventional a practice which is impossible to implement. Can you imagine a guy in a hotel room in Vegas trying to come up with all this info just to prove to the service that he's not, what?

Sorry for my rancorous attitude on this one, and nothing personal please, but if someone doesn't know how to do this without imposing unfair and
sometimes impossible burdeons on the public then the public will go elsewhere. Originally Posted by honorable1

Well Neko, Marco, and Chrissy's agencies don't do that -- or at least they tell the girls that work for them that they don't do that. Most agencies promise the ladies when they sign on that they will conduct proper screening. The screening practices I've known some agencies to use are far more intrusive than those of many of the indies I know.

I would assume that agencies that don't screen pretty much fall into 2 categories.

1) They provide some other form of provider "protection" such as a driver or even (if incall) have a guy sitting in the adjacent room to bust in if there is any trouble. This very method has been suggested by a couple of the agencies in town. I can't find the appropriate thread but it is discussed somewhat here: http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=30353

2) They don't respect their girls and are not to be trusted. If they lie to the girls, who knows what else they're lying about.

I HOPE that most of the agencies you've called when you've traveled have sent the girl with a "driver" i.e. a security person. You may not have been aware of it of course.

In Texas, from everything I've experienced, most hobbyists would rather plan in advance by giving a couple of provider references and giving the girl the time to get a hold of those references than choose a last minute option where they might have a pimp or security person waiting in the car outside or in the next room.

I get business travelers ALL THE TIME. They just contact me, give me their references, and then they're good to go.

This idea that indies have in this city that everyone has the same issues and "concerns" that they as indies do is, frankly, disingenuous.

I know for a fact that the statements you made are flat wrong, and don't know why you made them. I suspect though that you're trying to defend as conventional a practice which is impossible to implement. Can you imagine a guy in a hotel room in Vegas trying to come up with all this info just to prove to the service that he's not, what?
. Originally Posted by honorable1

Let me start by saying that I have worked in each of the cities I mentioned, and that I have worked both as an agency girl as an independent. I personally witnessed the screening practices of both agencies I worked for in Atlanta many years ago, and that's actually where I first developed my own screening practices. I know that both agencies are still alive and well, and are two of the most respected agencies in the city, so their methods must not be too damaging to their business.

Now, on to the concerns of the independent girl. As a provider, I am a member of several hobby boards, many of which are regional in nature, and some of which are devoted purely to screening and alerts for the girls. On each and every board, providers are constantly discussing screening methods, sharing new tools, and updating their practices as technology and the hobby itself evolves. The statements I made were based on my own reading and discussions with other providers, as well as my own personal experience, so I'm not sure how you can be so sure that they're "flat wrong." I never said that "all" agencies or indies worked that way, just that "most" or "many" that I have encountered do. And, in my experience, many (but certainly not all) of the cases where providers have been shorted, assaulted or raped in a session happen when the lady relaxed her screening for one reason or another. Not all money is good money, and we providers know that. My safety comes first.

"A practice that's impossible to implement?" I implement it every day. The ratio of business travelers to locals that I see is fairly high, especially in tour cities. In my experience, the traveling hobbyists are more likely than anyone else to provide screening information up front. The idea that references from 2 reputable providers (or certain personal information is too much information for a traveling businessman in a hotel room in Vegas to "come up with" is frankly, just silly. Any man should be able to remember the last 2 providers he has seen (especially if he rarely hobbies, because those experiences - good or bad - are likely to stick out in his mind. And if he doesn't have provider references, he should understand that a provider desires certain information to cross-check against websites to help determine that he is not LE, a sex offender or violent criminal, or a blacklisted hobbyist. Even if he doesn't want to provide that info, which is his prerogative, he should understand our reasoning.

just comes across to me as discounting the importance of a provider's comfort and safety, probably not because you think of us in any sort of negative light, but more likely because you've never been in our position, and you don't know what it's like to hear accounts of your friends being attacked or taken advantage of, and feel nervous and a little bit uncomfortable with what might transpire with every new client you see, and still be able to provide a stellar GFE. One of the reasons the ladies are able to do this job for long periods of time is because we come to these boards and feel some sense of community and support. And we're expected to stay quiet when someone disrespects us or our friends, to bend to the will of the majority with regard to our donations, our activities and our screening methods, and to shut up, smile and look pretty even when we sense that we're being pushed or taken advantage of.

I'm not just a provider. I'm an intelligent woman with high aspirations, I'm very attached to my friends and family, and I have a big heart. Our little "world" is rather unconventional and not without its dangers. I expect that we're here to take care of one another, and it's difficult to acknowledge that not everyone feels that way. But even if you're not immersed enough in the hobby to know everyone here, it's natural to feel empathy or sadness when you see that someone in the community has been hurt. Is it possible to be completely cold and heartless when it comes to the realities of this business? I can't speak for the other ladies, but for me to sit here and see so many of you suggest that we as providers are asking too much, or are out of line for attempting to protect ourselves is absolutely sickening.

have any of you signed up for a membership to make sure you were not on there and successfully cancelled afterwards? Signing up requires credit card information. I would hate to try to cancel after registering, and then somehow having my personal info on the site.

Sensualcheri: Nikko, Marco and Krissy don't advertise either, and only mine this site and their own counterpart one for their customers. If someone lands in Austin for a Dentist's Conference and looks around for an agency to send over a girl to their room they will probably never know these three agencies even exist. Those kinds of agencies can't be compaired to the varieties of normal agencies one commonly finds in Vegas, LA, D.C. [they've got some hot ones] Miami, Orlando, blah blah blah.

@honorable1: I don't know much about Nikko, Marco and Krissy, but considering I'm not the one who brought them up, I'm not really concerned with what they do. My only real concerns are with my own screening practices and why I do things the way I do them, and making sure my friends here stay safe.

But honestly, what's your point re: advertising? Are you somehow trying to suggest that local agencies who don't "advertise" outside this site have questionable screening practices? I'm completely lost as to the point of your last post.

If you're trying to compare Austin to Vegas, L.A., D.C.,... don't you think you're reaching a bit? These cities are vastly different from one another in size and society, but the human component (i.e., the provider and her concerns) remains the same regardless of what city she's in.

I'm not trying to be bitchy, I'm just not sure where you're trying to lead the conversation.

does anyone have access to this site member only i want to know what someone posted about me. but i can only see a little of it. it says mysterious or something ??
PM me please if you have member access.

I would never, ever, recommend providing such sensitive information to a provider; partaking in the hobby is already potentially ruinous to my personal relationship, and I would never want to jeopardize that more than I already do. If a provider would not see me without that information, well, there's plenty of fish in the sea. P411 is probably the best way to go, though I don't use it personally -- can't have my SO seeing that hitting the bank account!

Let's be mindful when bumping old threads. The last post in ths one was 5/31/2010 and we get a new post 9 months later. If your post is relevant and/or brings new info to the thread, by all means post, but if it is a question or a repeat of several other posts in the thread, then bumping will earn a bit of Moderator attention and that means my nap is getting disturbed!!!

I am going to close this one. If further discussion is appropriate, please feel free to open a new and relevant thread.

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